Author Topic: Germany's Socialisim, Or how I learned to love democracy. (Read 1642 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #30 on:** February 01, 2005, 03:08:42 PM »

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Originally posted by JBA
This is forced sex slavery sanctioned by the gov't. not much better then say turkey or serbia.

BS, there is nothing "forced" about it.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 01, 2005, 04:50:31 PM »

No. In the past the government wouldn't cut off benefits because someone refuses an "Immoral" job.

But now, they see any legal job as a "Moral" job, hence the woman has to take it unless she wants to get cut off.

That morality issue keeps popping up everywhere! Odd that america has it and europe doesn't.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #32 on:** February 01, 2005, 04:59:41 PM »

But not odd at all that a good number of liberals simply dont get it.

I gotta wonder how they would like it if their wives or daugters just came in one day and said the local government employment office told them to become potatos and sexually service strange men or loose their unemployment benefits when national unemployment is some ridiculous figure like 12% as in Germany today and jobs are very hard to find...

It's really funny as these are prolly the same liberals who made a great scene about the great economic failiures of the USA when the Bush admin reclassified some food industry jobs as manufacturing or when it encourages older workers to seek training to be more compettive in new technologies. That stuff is bad to them. But they are so very supportive, understanding even enthusiastic when the German economics propram has failed so utterly to create an envioronement friendly to job growth that they are ordering their young women to bcome potatos or lose their benefits...

Funny chit!

Thrawn · « **Reply #33 on:** February 01, 2005, 05:09:21 PM »

You're right Grun the liberals don't get it.

And what you don't get is that you're the liberal nanny government supporter here.

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #34 on:** February 01, 2005, 05:48:34 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But not odd at all that a good number of liberals simply dont get it.

I gotta wonder how they would like it if their wives or daugters just came in one day and said the local government employment office told them to become potatos and sexually service strange men or loose their unemployment benefits when national unemployment is some ridiculous figure like 12% as in Germany today and jobs are very hard to find...

It's really funny as these are prolly the same liberals who made a great scene about the great economic failiures of the USA when the Bush admin reclassified some food industry jobs as manufacturing or when it encourages older workers to seek training to be more compettive in new technologies. That stuff is bad to them. But they are so very supportive, understanding even enthusiastic when the German economics propram has failed so utterly to create an envioronement friendly to job growth that they are ordering their young women to bcome potatos or lose their benefits...

Funny chit!

Grun, how comes you believe this crap for real?
Just tell me one nation where you have see this BS is practiced
for real, just one!
I cant believe what crap is posted here, who in gods
name
can forces anyone to be a potato?

get a live
*shaking head*

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** February 01, 2005, 05:52:41 PM »

So you deny this report that the German government ordered a young woman to take a job providing "sexual services" at a potatohouse or else lose her German governent provided unemployment benefits? All this at a time when your nation has incredibly high unemploymrnt rates which makes finding a job difficult.

vorticon · « **Reply #36 on:** February 01, 2005, 05:58:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
You're right Grun the liberals don't get it.

i get it...its not the forcing of leeches into jobs thats the problem, its the forcing them into a job at a potatohouse, and not even giving an option of other places where she could work, though including a potatohouse as a legitimate place to work is pretty bad in itself...

shes not even out of work...or unwilling to work elsewhere...

"The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel. "

"

"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," "

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #37 on:** February 01, 2005, 06:02:11 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So you deny this report that the German government ordered a young woman to take a job providing "sexual services" at a potatohouse or else lose her German governent provided unemployment benefits? All this at a time when your nation has incredibly high unemploymrnt rates which makes finding a job difficult.

yes, its pure BS
and what with this "high unemploymrnt rates which makes finding a job difficult" ?
nothing have changed since the new welfare reform,
only numbers changed, some former unemployment people who
got help from social care, didnt counted as real unemployment,
the new reform just count this people in.
So what really changed are only numbers, but everything is
same as before.
I still have my Job (where i'm really happy to work at)
and i can afford some hobbys too! and the best thing is
nobody forces me to get a job in the sex industry LOL

R
GhostFT

patrone · « **Reply #38 on:** February 01, 2005, 06:06:35 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So you deny this report that the German government ordered a young woman to take a job providing "sexual services" at a potatohouse or else lose her German governent provided unemployment benefits? All this at a time when your nation has incredibly high unemploymrnt rates which makes finding a job difficult.

Still trolling on that weak hook of yours?

The article is so full of missinformation that it can not be concidered serious. Even how much you want this to be true, it simply is´nt. It is pure BS with a twist.

Lizking · « **Reply #39 on:** February 01, 2005, 06:07:42 PM »

Give us the real facts, please, Patrone. I found it hard to beleive myself (national media, again, please).

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #40 on:** February 01, 2005, 06:20:10 PM »

So Patrone do you deny the facts as presented in tjhis report?

If so, give us the real facts of this particular story. Not generalizations of what you think goes on in Germany or what you think happend or what you hope really happened.

Just the facts of this particular story from a reliable source.

Can you do that?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #41 on:** February 01, 2005, 06:28:19 PM »

The really funny thing thing is we got two sets of Euro style liberals desperatly tripping over themselves trying to downplay this story. One group denies everyting and calls it all lies while ther other says it's a common and legal thing and that there is nothing wrong or immoral here that the governemt is just trying to get people regular jobs - being potatos...

Again, funny chit...

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 01, 2005, 06:29:29 PM »

It's how the facts are being represented that are getting everyone's panties in a twist.

From what I understand, if the person turns down any offering to any job, they will also lose their welfare checks.

In the past, immoral jobs were not included in this clause. However, they now are, which means that the German government sees prostitution as moral.

And yet again, we come back to that morality issue.

patrone · « **Reply #43 on:** February 01, 2005, 06:39:41 PM »

This will mean that if I went to Germany to apply for a job and didnt take the job offered to me in "sexaul service" buisness, I would lose my Unemployment benifits? As prostitution is unlegal in my country, this would virtualy mean that Germany would force me to break the Law in my country in order to get money from my goverment?

Get real, the unemploment rules are the same in every EU country and I can go to any country to apply for work and getting unemployment benifits.

This special case states prostitution has been legal in Germany since 2002, this is not true, its been legal in Germany for decades.

The article is twisted and has no other connection to reality then the rule to take jobs offered to you 3 times or face a cut of your benifits for 100 days. You can say no to a job that you object to by religouse or moral standards, without getting a benefit cut.

EDIT, In the DDR, whitch was the German socialistic state, prositution was unlegal.
In West Germany, whitch was controlled by A Christian party,
postitution was legal.
To my knowledge, the same Christian party is still rulling Germany.
To call it "German socialism" is utterly wrong.

Now, sharpen you stuff GRUN.....otherwise you never catch anything

NUKE · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2005, 07:13:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
BS, there is nothing "forced" about it.

you are correct, they are not forcing her to take the job. The are just going to cut her benifits because they consider her to be turning down a perfectly good job that is availible for her.

Sometimes you amaze me.

Wouldn't that be cool of you were unemployed and your government considered gay sex clubs a legitimate job, and one offered you a posisition offering sexual services and you refused (not saying you would), so they cut you off from benifits. No chance at benifits because the gay club offered you a job performing sexual services.

So, you HAVE to get another job because you are not going to get any benifits. Afterall, there's a perfectly good gay service job availible and your lazy arse just refused to take it ( pun intended)