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Offline Gunslinger

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« on: February 01, 2005, 07:21:21 PM »
Not that I dont thing he has the right to say what he said....I think what he is reciting constitutes hate speech and I wouldnt want one of my children going to one of his classes and hearing this BS.  Yes I want my kids to think for themselves (even with a slight nudge from me here and there) but teachers have influence over them and I think this guy has no business in working for a state school.  You'd think in todays age of sensativity on campus this wouldnt be an issue......guess this is yet another double standard in our universities.

PS I dont agree with the death threats though.

 
Colorado Professor's Future on the Line

Tuesday, February 01, 2005



DENVER — A panel discussion at Hamilton College (search) in New York featuring a Colorado professor was canceled after hundreds of death threats poured in because of an inflammatory essay he wrote comparing some of the Sept. 11 victims to Nazis and calling President Bush a terrorist.

Hamilton has been on heightened security since the paper by Ward Churchill (search), published more than two-and-a-half years ago in the aftermath of the 2001 attacks, resurfaced.

College spokesman Michael DeBraggio said multiple death threats were made against both school officials and Churchill, who was to be a guest speaker at the panel discussion.

Churchill resigned Monday as chairman of the ethnic studies department at the University of Colorado at Boulder (search), and the Board of Regents there is holding an emergency meeting Thursday to discuss his future.

In the scathing essay, Churchill called the traders and other businesspeople who worked at the World Trade Center in New York "Eichmanns" — a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who organized Nazi plans to exterminate Europe's Jews.

That's because he believes American foreign policy and the spread of capitalism around the world for U.S. profit are acts of genocide against Iraqi civilians and others in the same way as the Nazi movement was against the Jews during World War II.

"As to those in the World Trade Center ... true enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire," Churchill wrote.

In an interview with FOX News, Churchill admitted that his 20-page paper was "a harsh piece" and his views are unpopular. But he stands by his opinion that the attacks were retribution for harmful U.S. foreign policy.

"Bush, at least in symbolic terms, is the world's leading terrorist," Churchill told FOX News in an interview. "He absolutely thumbs his nose at the rule of law. He's the head of a rogue state by definition, and it's a rogue state which dispenses carnage on people presumed to be inferior in some set of terms."

The essay attracted little attention until Churchill was invited to speak Thursday at Hamilton College, about 40 miles east of Syracuse, N.Y. Since then, he has gotten several hundred threatening e-mails and some hostile reactions from Sept. 11 victims' families.

He's also gotten hundreds of supportive e-mails and said that some of those in his corner are soldiers on the front lines of the war in Iraq.

"There is a substantial sector of the population, including GIs that I'm corresponding with as a result of this in the Gulf right now, who say, your points are very solid and this is not right what we're doing here," Churchill told FOX.

Though it's difficult for tenured professors to lose their jobs, a number of people — including Colorado Gov. Bill Owens (search) and some student Republicans — are up in arms over Churchill and his views and want him fired.

"This guy has to go," said Isaiah Lechowit, president of the University of Colorado Student Republicans. "He's been out here just raving about this nonsense and the mindless drones over here are clapping and hooting and hollering for him.

"What sickens me is the people out there clapping for this raving lunatic who applauds these terrorists for killing people on Sept. 11."

Churchill says he has no intention of quitting, and his students don't want to see him go. Many are among his staunchest supporters.

"He changes people's minds," said Albe Zakes, a University of Colorado junior who is a student of Churchill's. "He says controversial things. That is not a bad thing.

"If you express your opinion and you have a strong opinion — an opinion that differs from the norm — people are going to try to cut you down and take you out of power. If you don't exercise your constitutional right and you don't challenge authority, I think that is being un-American."

Some of Churchill's colleagues in the ethnic studies department held a brief press conference at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday to rally around the scholar. They praised Churchill, mentioned numerous writing awards he's won and chastised the press for twisting his words. Churchill himself wasn't present at the event.

FOX News' Carol McKinley, Catherine Donaldson-Evans and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2005, 07:25:37 PM »
Uhm...

I don't think that guy posts here. What do you expect Skuzzy to do about him?

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2005, 07:26:45 PM »
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Uhm...

I don't think that guy posts here. What do you expect Skuzzy to do about him?



:rofl :rofl :rofl

Funny Nash  :D

I'm not sure why you would think I'd want skuzzy to do anything at all?
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2005, 07:40:39 PM »
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it's the modern intardnet ameircan male liberal chest thumper. he'll never get laid in real life, so cybering to him is real life.







im sorry but MAN those crooked 80's glasses make me want to stomp on his face for that alone.

i have to say... these morons who saw the movie IQ once, and think "intelligence" means an umkempt appearance, and they'll get to nail meg ryan piss me off. they intentionally look like sh%^ thinking people will take them more seriously because they "must" be smarter than most normal people.
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I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2005, 07:41:15 PM »
Ok, I'll bite.  Without having read his original work...

The guy wrote a paper, however distasteful, about his views on the indirect consequences of the actions of the American business and political system.

Professors are paid to teach, and depending on their school, to publish.  Do you want them all to write only what's safe for their jobs?  You know what happens when people only say what's safe for their jobs?  You get Washington DC, the UN, and just about every other political capital in the world - wonderful models of unbiased, principled expression of truth .

If you don't like what he says (which I don't), then debate him, don't silence him or coerce him into shutting up.

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2005, 07:47:47 PM »
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Ok, I'll bite.  Without having read his original work...

The guy wrote a paper, however distasteful, about his views on the indirect consequences of the actions of the American business and political system.

Professors are paid to teach, and depending on their school, to publish.  Do you want them all to write only what's safe for their jobs?  You know what happens when people only say what's safe for their jobs?  You get Washington DC, the UN, and just about every other political capital in the world - wonderful models of unbiased, principled expression of truth .

If you don't like what he says (which I don't), then debate him, don't silence him or coerce him into shutting up.


I guess your right tarmac I just find the fact that this guy teaches our "future".  Challenging a person to think is one thing but saying terror victoms were asking for it is crossing the line.

what if he'd say somthing like the Jews had it coming.  Or something to the respect that all the beheadings are justified (wich is more or less what he's saying)  To me that is no different than somone who spouts hate speech about minorities.

Go to toungtied.com come sometime and read about all those in colleges that have gotten in trouble for speaking their mind or not being "sensative" and it really looks like a double standard.  

You shouldnt call people Nazis and accuse them of committing genocide to encourage them to think.  Hell what's the difference between this guy and the guy that spouted off about woman being defficient genetically in the fields of science...

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2005, 07:50:51 PM »
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it's the modern intardnet ameircan male liberal chest thumper. he'll never get laid in real life, so cybering to him is real life.
 


ROFLMAO O, the irony....JB73 ridiculing someone else's inability to get laid.

Too funny. :rofl

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2005, 07:53:55 PM »
just because you'd take him to the beach and play "hide the baloney" doesn't count for him gettin sex
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2005, 08:05:08 PM »
Believing in free speech means protecting that speech you disagree with as much as you protect that speech you agree with.  Sometimes I wonder about some of you- for a group who decries political correctness you sure become outraged quite easily if a football player pantomines mooning an opposing crowd, or a college professor makes an arse out of himself, or a poster says something you disagree with....

Some of you really DO need a walk on the beach...or stronger medications.

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2005, 08:06:00 PM »
Well...I'm a defender of the Constitutional right of free speech and all...but...I mean...DAM...the conclusions he reaches and the inflammatory statements are just too STUPID for words!

What a bunch of sanctimonius, pseudo-intellectual, anti-capitalistic,  pro-and-apologetically socialistic, I can't change my own car's oil so I despise all "doers" clap-trap.

This is the same type of thinking old-style communists used to justify their purges.

If he were making these same types of statements about an ethnic group he would be accused of a hate crime and summarily fired.  Yet he can hide his bigotry behind the mask of intellectual freedom and avoid any consequences.

Unbelievable.



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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2005, 08:10:17 PM »
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I guess your right tarmac I just find the fact that this guy teaches our "future".


It's possible to overstate this. These are college students afterall. Their morals and values are already in place.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2005, 08:13:50 PM »
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I guess your right tarmac I just find the fact that this guy teaches our "future".  Challenging a person to think is one thing but saying terror victoms were asking for it is crossing the line.

what if he'd say somthing like the Jews had it coming.  Or something to the respect that all the beheadings are justified (wich is more or less what he's saying)  To me that is no different than somone who spouts hate speech about minorities.

Go to toungtied.com come sometime and read about all those in colleges that have gotten in trouble for speaking their mind or not being "sensative" and it really looks like a double standard.  

You shouldnt call people Nazis and accuse them of committing genocide to encourage them to think.  Hell what's the difference between this guy and the guy that spouted off about woman being defficient genetically in the fields of science...


I've spent the last 4 years of my life at a major research university.  I consider myself an independent conservative.  I know plenty about the bias that's present, but if your views are logical you can generally argue with even the most illogical jackbooted liberal/conservative and come out with your views clarified.  Notice I said clarified, not necessarily reinforced -- it's important to hear these people out even though you disagree with them, because there's probably some grain of truth behind all their rhetoric and it's that grain you want to incorporate into your new views on the world.  If your views are so closed off that you won't even listen to the opposition, then you don't have an opinion resembling any sort of truth - you have a fanatical faith.

Turning the "you offended me!" witch hunts 180 degrees won't put a stop to it - it'll make it worse.  The problem is with persecuting people  for their views, instead of being open to the reasonable arguments and letting the retarded views fall out of the spotlight on their own.    I believe that most college students are smart enough to do this, if they're exposed to a broad range of views on the world.  They can take what they find reasonable from each philosophy and incorporate it into their own, while ignoring the junk and rhetoric.  The problem comes when there's no counter to that rhetoric and junk... then you get the fanatics who support a view because it's all they know.

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2005, 08:16:55 PM »
I respectfully disagree Sandman.  Freshmen are still very impressionable.  

I've seen quite a few who would, to appear intellectual, swallow anything a professor threw at them hook, line, and sinker.

A recent scientific study showed that the brain's ability to make rational decisions isn't fully developed until the age of 25.  

So, yeah, I believe that these "instructors" know exactly what they're doing.

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2005, 08:19:23 PM »
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Well...I'm a defender of the Constitutional right of free speech and all...but...I mean...DAM...the conclusions he reaches and the inflammatory statements are just too STUPID for words!

They're allowed to be.  That whole freedom of speech thing.  You don't have to listen or believe him.  
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This is the same type of thinking old-style communists used to justify their purges.
 

And the same type of thinking that new-style politically correct whiners use to justify the firing of those that have differing political views.

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2005, 08:24:33 PM »
I think public flatulence should be punishable by life without parole