Author Topic: Jet crashes in NJ (Read 356 times)

Golfer · « **on:** February 02, 2005, 11:24:39 AM »

I just read a Challenger 601 went down in Teterboro, NJ. Anyone in the area know a little more? So far no good or informative news blurbs.

LePaul · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2005, 11:50:56 AM »

Everyone on the plane is ok, copilot most severely injured on the aircraft. Apparently the folks in cars who got clipped were the worst off

Charon · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2005, 11:51:01 AM »

All I heard on the radio was that it went off the end of the runway on takeoff (I believe) crossed a highway and crased into a building. No word on fatalities beyond "missing." That was a while ago though.

Charon

Maverick · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2005, 11:54:07 AM »

CNN had a bit on it a couple hours ago. Tetorborough was still closed until NTSB got there and finished. The jet had 12 pasengers. There was at least one critical on the jet, the copilot. Another was the driver of the car the jet hit. No word on fatalities as of the time of broadcast. Looking at the pix of the jet on the fround it's a wonder that anyone got out of the bird.

The only thing they said about how it crashed was the plane failed to gain altitude and went through the fence after running out of runway, which was 6,000 ft long. Way too premature for any real idea of cause for the crash.

doobs · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2005, 11:57:37 AM »

Got stuck in the traffic this morning cause of that. skidded off runway on TO.

Fishu · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2005, 12:06:39 PM »

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/02/02/plane.crash.ap/index.html

Two days ago here was an accident at the near by airport, where a cessna caravan crashed right after takeoff.

http://www.fsnordic.net/discussion/attachments/caravan_dc345a.JPG
(Open a new browser window and copy & paste the url into it)

...but luckily the pilot survived with bruises, what I heard.

mora · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2005, 12:43:13 PM »

I wonder if this was also due to icing. There was a CL-600 crash on take off due to icing in UK a couple of years ago. Also a few months ago there was a similar crash in the US and icing is suspected aswell.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?field=typecode&var=CA-600%&cat=%&sorteer=datekey&page=1

doobs · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:38:35 PM »

everybody surrvived. same plane ebersol crashed in I believe.
the worst injured was in the cars. pilot suffered broken leg.
was able to crawl out of wreck.

moose · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:38:54 PM »

i was going to say the same thing mora -- i duno what the normal takeoff roll for that size aircraft is but 6000 feet doesnt seem short to me.

i just looked the stats up for that a/c and its listed at 23,000lbs+ empty takeoff weight and something like 40,000 max.. maybe 6000 really *was* too short for conditions with icing

Golfer · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2005, 01:51:36 PM »

CL-604 will get up and go fully loaded for a flight non stop from Columbus, OH to Luxembourg and have a balanced field length of well under 6000 feet. The airplane holds 20,000 pounds of fuel...basically 3000 gallons.

Balanced field length means Accelerate-stop and accelerate-go distances are equal. That means the airplane goes from a stop to a determined speed when it loses an engine, and then can either stop using normal braking or 'go' and climb to an altitude of 50 feet on one engine.

I don't have the numbers now, but they are very common jets at Teterboro, Westchester and even my home airport.

Heck, a Gulfstream V fully loaded for a flight from New York nonstop to Tokyo needs just over 5000 feet.

john9001 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2005, 02:00:07 PM »

there were only 8 pass+3 crew, i don't think they would have had a full fuel load for a flight to chicago, weight=cost

the talking heads on TV said it should have needed 4000 ft to takeoff.

Golfer · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2005, 02:18:22 PM »

8 pax is a good size passenger load. The company I'd like to wind up with has a Challenger 604 (nicer version of the one that crashed) allocated strictly as a CEO getaroundmobile. Not a bad way to travel.

I know way back when a CL-601 crashed on takeoff due to over-rotation and a fuel imbalance. When the aircraft accelerated down the runway the fuel went from all the forward tanks into the rear tanks and caused a googly of a CG problem.

For a flight to Chicago they'd probally require a max of 12000lbs of fuel on board to meet reserve requirements. They could've been topped off for the return trip too to save costs, too many variables to say now though but regardless, teterboro is home to lots of bizjets and this one would have no problems operating from there. Thats all I was getting at.