Originally posted by Kweassa
*Shrugs* I've just only offered an opinion.
However, since you seem so anxious to turn this into a raving Jihad for your P-38, so you would antagonize everyone who does not think like you do, as you have done time and time again on every discussion about every characteristic of the P-38, why should anyone even bother listening seriously to your opinions when they know whatever questions or doubts they have would be eventually persecuted by you, your 'P-38 Bible', and your 'P-38 prophets'?
You want to drag Ethell into this? Well perhaps you aren't in the least bit competent enough to use the skills Ethell would to recover a from flat spinning P-38 - you should consider that as a possibility.
And by the way, since you seem so sure about everything, just for the record I'd like to see just where any of the instuctors mention recovering from an abnormal stall in the form of yax-axis rotating free-fall. Two engines or two-million engines, once normal airflow is terminated anything can happen to a plane.
There is no jihad here except yours. Oldman asked for P-38 recovery instructions and stall characteristics. Neither he nor I asked for anything to be changed. I merely posted the report of a Lockheed engineering test pilot with THREE THOUSAND PLUS hours in a REAL P-38. YOU came in, as you always do and began your same old rant about the P-38 and what you THINK we were talking about, and decided what the test pilot wrote was not the whole truth.
I NEVER go into your 109, 190, Niki, or Ki84 threads and tell you how I think it should fly. In fact, the only time I ever posted in those threads is when you decide to make some childish insult about those who fly the P-38.
Why should anyone listen to YOUR opinion? You IGNORE facts from published reports by Lockheed test pilots and well known published P-38 combat pilots, and decide on your own that they are wrong, with NOTHING to base it on. What the Hell is "dragging Erv Ethel into this''supposed to mean? I didn't drag him into anything, I just stated what the man said about the plane, he flew combat, and advanced instruction,he is well known for it and often quoted by many noted authors on the subject. And I did not compare myself to him or anyone else.
You once again came into a thread about the P-38, and started an arguement with which you have no facts to win, the same way you do every time. And then you want to make the same statements about me you always do. You've made up your mind that the P-38 flies too good, and you need to attack anything about it anytime it is posted. YOU are the one who hijacked the thread, but you don't want to accept the blame for that either. You are the one who came in and refuted published Lockheed test pilot logs and reports quoted verbatim, and offered ZERO (no test pilot reports, no nothing, just your baseless opinion) factual basis for YOUR position. But it's all MY fault because I called you on it.
Like I said, there was no ''raving jihad'', and in fact no arguement at all, until you decided to enter the thread with the same old baseless BS, after I merely posted a verbatim quote from Herman Salmon. That's ALL I did. Posted a Lockheed report because Oldman asked about stall recovery. And what evidence do you have to refute said report? You've offered nothing. And WHY did you feel it was necessary to divert a thread about stall recovery of the P-38 to your same old arguement? Don't ask me, and don't blame me for responding.
