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Offline Trippy

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What is a HO?
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2005, 09:21:10 PM »
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Originally posted by jaxxo
there are countless threads on this..however some ho's are really annoying..such as fighting 3 or 4 guys and they all try and ho you. It makes no sense tactically to ho a person when u have him outnumbered....


yes, but if you are outnumbering a guy like that you better HO to get your kill before the guy who did all the work to get the enemy to that state.  is only common sense jeez...;)  

seriously,  only 2 reasons to HO


1. always HO a 110 (shows you are a man)

2. HO if you know the other guy will blow up on CH. 200

and shooting front panel at high deflection is not a ho.

at any rate, ho's dont bother me, though i hate to see them for many of the same reasons as you guys.  i think there are situations in which it is ok, and there are situations where it is very dweeby.  in 1 on 1, if the person tries to HO, they will prolly die pretty fast afterwards.

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2005, 10:15:30 PM »
One has to be in the position of being able to get a HO shot off in order to receive one.

So, either that person did not manuever out of the way to avoid the shot, or is crying because he got shot first :)

You can't always just shoot only if you are on a guys 6, heck man, only the bad cowboys shot people in the back.  I think most are confusing a HO with simply a face to face position.  I mean, really, if you want to offer up a true example of an actual Head On shot, you would have to know that the bullets would be followed closely by the propeller, wings and tail section of that plane as they plow into your cockpit.  That's the only way a true headon will hit, dead on straight with no way to manuver out.
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Offline rod367th

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What is a HO?
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2005, 11:27:35 PM »
99% of Ho whines are from guys who lost Ho they were trying. I was in A il2 killing  gvs  5 fighters come in all 5 go for HO once they see my il2 can out turn them.  190 spit ki84 tempest and 51. All 5 died   only 190 pilot whines on 200 of course its the All you know is HO. You betcha if i'm a il2 u can count on it i'll take you Headon if thats game you want.............




 2nd Headon's were used alot in ww2 i'm now coming to believe. After watching Gabby gabenski special on Discovery channel. He was telling stoories and showing films. Including entire squad trying to ho entire flight of 190's with thier p47s




 Then when he is in korea  He tells story of takeing 4 headon passes with a mig  before mig pilot bailed out. Now i've heard of 10 to 20 other stories of headon  starting to think it was done more that most think. If aces like Pappy boyington, Gabby  and chuck yeager were using HEadons I have to believe alot more were doing it.




 but I do agree if 4 or 5 guys with alt only go headon thats weak.
But i can tell you if your on one guys 6 well and its a squadie. I will do anything i can to clear him.........:)
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What is a HO?
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2005, 01:06:14 AM »
Depends on my mood. If im feelin like i wanna live I'll avoid, if Im in a lazy mood I'll fire away HO. WHen Im lazy I feel its up to the other guy to get out of the way, because the lead is otw!
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What is a HO?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2005, 04:53:56 AM »
perhaps ask this guy.

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What is a HO?
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2005, 05:56:50 AM »
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also the friendly hoing a guy your 400 out from and dead 6. Basically it screams of newbism but is a legitimate tactic in some scenarios.


I was 200 and lost a wing to kill shooter as they both exploded infront of me with out even an assist....................
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2005, 06:47:34 AM »
Maj. Richard Ira Bong top American ACE of WWII is reported to have FAVORED the HO against IJ planes.
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Offline TexMurphy

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2005, 07:01:55 AM »
Personally I tend to get really pissed off when I die to a HO. But what do I get pissed at???

MY SELF!!!!!

Im not really pissed at the other guy for taking the shot, Im pissed at my self for not avoiding something so easily avoidable. I generally avoid 95 out 100 HOs but sometimes I have no where to go or am sloppy. Its really annoying.

Sometimes though I do feel sad when I see pilots go just zoom ho zoom ho zoom ho. Reason I feel sad is that I know they wount develop as pilots. I feel like I want to take em to the DA and help em with what little I know about ACMs and dogfighting but unless I kill em or they kill me I dont know who they are... :/

Does this mean I never ever take shots that can be viewed as HOs? No people will most likely whine about my shots as well.

But I try to never ever go for shot if the enemy has gun situation on me. Though I do go for shots if I know he CANT get gun situation on me and I can. I do take front angle shots. I just always try to avoid getting shot my self.

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Offline Ghosth

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What is a HO?
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2005, 08:01:22 AM »
First off in my opinion anything you can do is a valid tatic. Hitech has built this game pretty darn well IMO.  If he didn't think it should happen, i'm guessing he'd of found a way to prevent it.

Next, the ones that really get my goat are the guys who whine about a forward quarter shot in a turnfight.

Excuse me but in most dogfights there is only one true HO. The one where you see the enemy 5k away and both turn nose to nose. Trying to kill him on the first pass.

Slapshot did indeed sum it up nicely again IMO.

So its 4 turns after the first merge, you come over the top in front of my guns why would you expect me NOT to shoot?

The wonderful thing about AH is that its a flight sim. You fly, you die, you get to see where you made a mistake or 2. And you get to do it all over again.
So why the ego's and gnashing of teeth??

Its a flight sim, EVERYONE dies. Learn from your mistakes.  Get over it.
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Offline Overlag

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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2005, 08:16:07 AM »
from some people im wondering if a HO is anything that ISNT a dead 6 shot. the amount of times ive shot into the side of a plane and been insulted for being a skillless HO dweeb........arrg :mad:

only time i HO is when i know im in a good HO'er (190) and i know im at a big disadvantage. IE low vs a turn fighter...

also bombers love HO's ;)
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Offline dedalos

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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2005, 09:49:42 AM »
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Originally posted by SlapShot
An HO is ...

when 2 opposing enemy planes BOTH have a guns solution on each other at the same time.

Some/Most don't seem to understand this concept.

Maybe you should have asked ... "When is an HO appropriate ?" ... cause that is where this discussion is going.


Wrong again :D.  A HO is when you can see the plane that just killed you and you are not looking behind you :lol
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Offline TalonX

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HO, ho ho
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2005, 12:24:16 PM »
I like the answer that states a HO is when both pilots having a firing solution.....    

That brings us to good HO's, and bad HO's.  I maintain starting on your six, leading your Immelmann and killing you at the top, even if somewhat front on, is a legitimate ACM and kill, not to be confused with the bad HO.

I honestly don't care if someone tries to HO me, but I am sticking with the bad HO being the long merge, face to face, and firing rather than ACM.

Anyway, by the first definition, he had no firing solution on me, so no HO.

It was not Shane....it was another whiner of some infamy.
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Re: HO, ho ho
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2005, 04:13:25 PM »
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Originally posted by TalonX

It was not Shane....it was another whiner of some infamy.


Common now.  How hard could it be?  Someone in a jug gets shot down and then whines. Hmmm, who could that possibly be?
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Offline Phantasm

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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2005, 04:48:45 PM »
well 1 thing that suks is when someone br8ks to avoid a ho and you fire..they will almost always scream YOU HOED ME..and what i do if they have tracers on is wait till they fire first..kinda hard to call some1 a ho if they fire first
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Offline streetstang

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What is a HO?
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2005, 04:51:09 PM »
Its ok if I Ho. Thats' always a justified shot. If someone Hos me they are lame and are a dweeb.
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