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Is the US intentionally allowing it's dollar to sag?
« on: February 02, 2005, 04:50:02 PM »
Do you think that just maybe the US is allowing it's dollar to sag to allow the Chinese dollar to gain thereby causing an upset in the trade imbalance between our two nations.  And just maybe this may force the Chinese into allowing a more even flow of goods between our two nations?

It is an interesting and very plausible scenario.
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Is the US intentionally allowing it's dollar to sag?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2005, 04:57:53 PM »
Yes.

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2005, 05:43:57 PM »
so what do you think China's response will be?
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2005, 05:45:10 PM »
bad news , the dollar is going back up.

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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2005, 05:46:18 PM »
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bad news , the dollar is going back up.


lol, wanna bet...
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2005, 05:56:02 PM »

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Re: Is the US intentionally allowing it's dollar to sag?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2005, 05:56:41 PM »
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It is an interesting and very plausible scenario.



Absolutely.  Unfortunately if it is the case than the effect of the policy is opposite of that which was intended.


http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html


The lower the USD's value.  The more that have to be shipped over to China in exchange for the same number of goods.  Otherwise the standard of living would start to fall.  And voters don't like it when that happens.

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2005, 06:13:18 PM »
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http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html

just the facts ma'm


Now compare it to what I was talking about.

http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/CNY/graph120.html
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2005, 06:17:05 PM »
I disagree Thrawn.

If the US dollar is devalued it will make the Chinese goods cost more.  With the current situation being the Chinese devaluing their own currency against ours to keep the status quo of trade deficits, it is a question of who will go break first.

Considering our administrations rarely keep the same policies between presidents, I say it will be us who breaks first, unless we are able to keep the pressure up over the long term.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2005, 06:17:34 PM »
China "pegs" the Yuan to the USD, so it's value never changes relative to the USD.  Hence the straight line.

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2005, 06:20:19 PM »
Exactly, which means if we continue to devalue our currency it forces the Chinese to devalue ours, but in the long run, who is it going to effect more, US or China.  If the US can maintain this policy, then it will definitely affect the Chinese.  As they will be less able to import needed materials and equipment.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2005, 06:24:13 PM »
If China didn't want to devalue the USD then why are they selling it off to buy Euros and currency's from other Asian countries?

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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2005, 06:27:13 PM »
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If China didn't want to devalue the USD then why are they selling it off to buy Euros and currency's from other Asian countries?


because they are trying to beat us at our game.
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Re: Is the US intentionally allowing it's dollar to sag?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2005, 06:29:56 PM »
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Do you think that just maybe the US is allowing it's dollar to sag to allow the Chinese dollar to gain thereby causing an upset in the trade imbalance between our two nations.  And just maybe this may force the Chinese into allowing a more even flow of goods between our two nations?

It is an interesting and very plausible scenario.


The problem with that assertion is that the Chinese yuan is "pegged" to the vaule of the U.S. dollar--ergo, dollar go down in vaule so does yuan, dollar go up in value so does yuan (rinse and repeat).

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2005, 06:30:01 PM »
Thought this was timely and might help the discussion.


"China Has Lost Faith in Stability of U.S. Dollar
Associated Press | 01/26/05 | Edith M. Lederer


DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) -- China has lost faith in the stability of the U.S. dollar and its first priority is to broaden the exchange rate for its currency from the dollar to a more flexible basket of currencies, a top Chinese economist said Wednesday at the World Economic Forum. At a standing-room only session focusing on the world's fastest-growing economy, Fan Gang, director of the National Economic Research Institute at the China Reform Foundation, said the issue for China isn't whether to devalue the yuan but "to limit it from the U.S. dollar."

But he stressed that the Chinese government is under no pressure to revalue its currency.

China's exchange rate policies restrict the value of the yuan to a narrow band around 8.28 yuan, pegged to $1. Critics argue that the yuan is undervalued, making China's exports cheaper overseas and giving its manufacturers an unfair advantage. Beijing has been under pressure from its trading partners, especially the United States, to relax controls on its currency.

"The U.S. dollar is no longer -- in our opinion is no longer -- (seen) as a stable currency, and is devaluating all the time, and that's putting troubles all the time," Fan said, speaking in English.

"So the real issue is how to change the regime from a U.S. dollar pegging ... to a more manageable ... reference ... say Euros, yen, dollars -- those kind of more diversified systems," he said.

"If you do this, in the beginning you have some kind of initial shock," Fan said. "You have to deal with some devaluation pressures."

The dollar hit a new low in December against the euro and has been falling against other major currencies on concerns about the ever-growing U.S. trade and budget deficits.

The U.S. currency came under some pressure Wednesday, drifting lower versus most currencies including the Japanese yen and the euro, as dealers mulled the Chinese official's statements.

Fan said last year China lost a good opportunity to do revalue its currency, in July and October.

"High pressure, we don't do it. When the pressure's gone, we forgot," Fan said, to laughter from the audience. "But this time, I think Chinese authorities will not forget it. Now people understand the U.S. dollar will not stop devaluating."

Asked how speculation about revaluation could be curbed, he noted that China imposed a 3 percent tariff on Chinese exports.

Some Chinese experts say that perhaps inflation can be reduced this year, "but I'm not that optimistic," Fan said, noting that fuel prices keep rising.

"So maybe China (will) have 4-5 percent inflation in 2005," he said.

Fan, whose nonprofit institute specializes in analyzing the Chinese economy, stressed that the country's development is a long-term process that will take decades, maybe a century.

Since China's economic modernization began over a decade ago, 120 million rural laborers have moved into cities, but another 200 million or 300 million people need to move into the cities from the countryside to spur development, he said.

"The income disparity is huge, and income disparity will stay with us for a long time, as long as those 200 to 300 million rural laborers stay in the countryside," Fan said.

Nonetheless, William Parrett, chief executive of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu, told the panel that Chinese companies are making significant progress in becoming global giants, led by state-owned companies.

"It's probably at least 10 years before the objective of the government of 50 of the largest 500 companies in the world being Chinese" is achieved, he said."

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