Documents: U.S. condoned Iraq oil smuggling

[DoctorYO]

"(CNN) -- Documents obtained by CNN reveal the United States knew about, and even condoned, embargo-breaking oil sales by Saddam Hussein's regime, and did so to shore up alliances with Iraq's neighbors."

"How is it that you stand on a moral footing to go after the U.N. when they're responsible for 15 percent maybe of the ill-gotten gains, and we were part and complicit of him getting 85 percent of the money?" Menendez asked."

i'm personally amused by all the attacks by some of the zealots on this board discrediting the UN when we had a active hand in it ourselves...  hence hypocrisy eats hypocrisy..

get the full article.....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/02/iraq.oil.smuggle/index.html


makes you wonder what other embarrassing crap is going to find its way out of the black hole which is our current and past executive branches.. (both bush and clinton...)


These dummies are using 1950-60's politico in the internet age of bits bytes and fact checking .....


and we wonder why the Euro's, Asians South Americans, Aussy's etc... call us on our  bull **** all the time..  go figure...  deductive reasoning maybe....




DoctorYo

[JB88]

"These dummies are using 1950-60's politico in the internet age of bits bytes and fact checking ..... "

[Wotan]

No one cares if Jordan and Turkey bought oil from Saddam or who knew about it. I sure don't. Now if that article said something about 'pay-offs to Clinton's daughter' were the reward given for the Clinton's blind eye then you might have something.

Kofi Annan’s son admits oil dealing

I doubt we could have stopped illegal oil being sold to any of countries bordering Saddam even if we wanted to.

You mention 'deductive reasoning'. How does anything you typed or anything in that article validate the UN or US membership in it?

FYI, Kofi Annan was the UN head of peacekeeping during the Rwandan massacre, heck of a job he did there.

and we wonder why a good number of Americans look at the UN with contempt and suspicion and call them on their bull****...

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Wotan
No one cares if Jordan and Turkey bought oil from Saddam or who knew about it. I sure don't. Now if that article said something about 'pay-offs to Clinton's daughter' were the reward given for the Clinton's blind eye then you might have something.

Kofi Annan’s son admits oil dealing

I doubt we could have stopped illegal oil being sold to any of countries bordering Saddam even if we wanted to.

You mention 'deductive reasoning'. How does anything you typed or anything in that article validate the UN or US membership in it?

FYI, Kofi Annan was the UN head of peacekeeping during the Rwandan massacre, heck of a job he did there.

and we wonder why a good number of Americans look at the UN with contempt and suspicion and call them on their bull****...

What we have always wanted was a full accounting of the problem.  If there are skeletons in the closet, I dont care who's they are as longs as its uncovered and corrected.

[T0J0]

Wasn't Bill Clinton in the Whitehouse during the majority of Oil for Food program years?  
 

TOJO

[patrone]

Originally posted by Wotan


FYI, Kofi Annan was the UN head of peacekeeping during the Rwandan massacre, heck of a job he did there.

For Your information, USA was still in the SC that dicides whether to bring it up or not. And also what kind of messures to be undertaken.
Kofi Annan has no saying, hes the Chairman, no more nothing less.
Casting dirt on him does´nt free USA from its responsiblitys in the UN as a permanent SC member.

Resonsible for the UN peacekeeping is the Security Council.

If you disagree, I might need to bring quotes. I hate this, read up on how the UN works by studying the Charter of UN.

UN CHARTER

[Wotan]

Search Rwanda don't just make guesses.

Peace Keepers were already in Rwanda, French and Belgium...

So you need read up the points being made, not on some Charter that you run waving like it means anything to me...

It's hardly the point being made...

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/rwanda4.htm

[patrone]

The Charter of UN means all to the work of the UN, sorry.
Read up better and stop BS away the responsibility of USA as an permanent member of SC.
(You may deny this, but still, it is pure facts. And it may mean nothing to you, but it does´nt change facts)

Dont watermelon in your own nest.

[Wotan]

Go find a soap box some where else.

If you can't follow a point from A to B just shut up. What you have said in this thread has nothing to do with the point of the original poster or my following replies.

You seem lost, go curl up with your UN Charter and see if it can point you the right way.

[patrone]

So you found the hard way that USA was infact responsible for the UN "NO-action" in Rwanda?

Poor guy, must be devistating to have your "facts" and your simple view of world politics, shreded up like that.
And don´t take it to hard, it´s only a BBS, not national Media.
People will not laugh at you when you are walking down the street,,,,,,,, Relax

Article 24
1. In order to ensure prompt and effective action by the United Nations, its Members confer on the Security Council primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security, and agree that in carrying out its duties under this responsibility the Security Council acts on their behalf.

[RedTop]

Patrone,

I believe what Wotan is trying to say is , that this particular thread is about DoctorYo's assertion , that the U.S. is once again to blame for something.

The Rwanda thing should be for another thread.

Just a point there;)

[Wotan]

You don't even know what you are talking about. Peace keepers were already in Rwanda, they did nothing to help. They stood by and watched. This fact has nothing to with the US or UN SC or the UN charter or any such non-sense.

All the situation required was action on the part of those troops and the command structure already on the ground in Rwanda. It did not require action by the US or the SC.

You are just making things up as you go.

You haven't any 'facts' just left wing one world egalitarian non-sense. You can't follow a discussion and you can't make a coherent point.

[patrone]

Thank you Redtop.

But by mentioning Rwanda, Wotan made it an issue.
And the view from the General US citizen about UN is very distorted. No one makes anything withing UN without the blessing from USA or the 4 other permanent members of SC.

To blame the Secretary General, Kofi Annan for anything else then maybe "corruption" is absurd. To blame him as responsible for the Genocide in Rwanda, just mirrors how "double standard" of morality, poisons  the US General Public view of UN.  
Truth does´nt really count.

21 of April 1994

The U.N. Security Council votes unanimously to withdraw most of the UNAMIR troops, cutting the force from 2,500 to 270.

To make it more to be inline of the original posting, it also mirrors the statement from DoctorYO

i'm personally amused by all the attacks by some of the zealots on this board discrediting the UN when we had a active hand in it ourselves... hence hypocrisy eats hypocrisy..

[Wotan]

The accusations against Kofi Annan don't come originate with me or the US. As I said you just don't what you are talking about.

You are just making things up as you go.

Type Kofi Annan / Peacekeepers / Rwanda in goggle and you will see who accuses who of what.

UN chief's Rwanda genocide regret

The United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan has said he could and should have done more to stop the genocide in Rwanda 10 years ago.

Kofi's own mouth

"I believed at that time that I was doing my best," he said.

"But I realised after the genocide that there was more that I could and should have done to sound the alarm and rally support."

Kofi Annan was aware of Tutsis' peril

Annan was the head of U.N. peacekeeping operations on Jan. 11, 1994, when the commander of U.N. forces in Rwanda, Maj. Gen. Romeo Dallaire, warned the world body that the Kigali government was planning to slaughter Tutsis and said he was making plans to confiscate weapons.

Dallaire, a Canadian, was in charge of 450 U.N. peacekeepers in the Rwandan capital.

In the fax sent to U.N. Headquarters in New York, Dallaire quoted a senior Rwandan security official as saying he had been ordered to register all Tutsis in Kigali for the purpose, he suspected, of ``their extermination.''

Annan's office ordered Dallaire to neither protect the informant nor confiscate the arms.

Annan was aware of the order, said his aide, Iqbal Riza, who signed the response.

``I was responsible,'' Riza, who is still Annan's deputy, told the New Yorker when shown a copy of the order. ``This is not to say that Mr. Annan was oblivious of what was going on. No. Part of my responsibility was to keep him informed.''

I can go on and on...

Even the left in the US, who are UN'ofiles aren't happy with Kofi..

By the HON. CYNTHIA A. McKINNEY



She is a Democrat and represents Georgia's 4th District and made the the linked statement In the US House of  Representatives on 16.11.01

Mr. Speaker, Kofi Annan and the United Nations are stained with the blood of millions of dead people

Mr. defender of Kofi's honor  has no clue of what happened in Rwanda and just waves his stupid UN Charter around as if it mattered.

[lasersailor184]

Ok DoctorYo, I want you to try something for me.

Read the very very first sentence of the post.  Also take a look at where this news item is printed.

Now, lastly, remember some of the nicknames your news source has.