Documents: U.S. condoned Iraq oil smuggling

[patrone]

Kofi Annan, this and Kofi Annan that.

Get off it man, you screwed up bigtime, admit it, together with the troops deployed there. But USA was a part of the ****-up.

And, seems like you where in the "oil for Food" as well, a bribe here and a bribe there.......

That the UN is what it is today, a failure, a US creation, is due to the lack of interest from your country to "pay" and to respect the Charter and treatys in general.

Got it "woodie"?

[straffo]

I think it's a French screw up because we have a lot of influence in Africa.
Even if Rwanda is a former Belgian coloni I don't understand why we didn't took any action before Turquoise.

Btw the whole area is shrecked up : Burundi, Congo-Kinshasa, Ouganda and Rwanda have tons of reason to kill each other

[Wotan]

Kofi Annan, this and Kofi Annan that.

Get off it man, you screwed up bigtime, admit it, together with the troops deployed there. But USA was a part of the ****-up.

And, seems like you where in the "oil for Food" as well, a bribe here and a bribe there.......

That the UN is what it is today, a failure, a US creation, is due to the lack of interest from your country to "pay" and to respect the Charter and treatys in general.

Got it "woodie"?

What a well thought out and clever reply...

However, it seems you  have forgotten what this discussion is about. You challenged my claim:

FYI, Kofi Annan was the UN head of peacekeeping during the Rwandan massacre, heck of a job he did there.

It's all about Kofi Annan, you decided to jump into the discussion. Don't whine about the subject matter now.

Clearly the facts show Kofi did a poor job, Kofi admits this himself.

You post nothing that detracts from my claim. In fact you dance all around that and post all sorts of non-sense that have nothing to do with the subject.

The one who screwed up was Kofi...

As for the UN charter I wouldn't piss on it if it were on fire.

Your the one waving around that grand UN Charter as if it is worth the paper it's written on.

I glad to see you concede my point about the uselessness of the UN.

As to Oil for Food that goes directly to the point made by the original poster.

Do you suffer from ADD?

I think it's a French screw up because we have a lot of influence in Africa.
Even if Rwanda is a former Belgian coloni I don't understand why we didn't took any action before Turquoise.

Btw the whole area is shrecked up : Burundi, Congo-Kinshasa, Ouganda and Rwanda have tons of reason to kill each other

I won't argue with you there...

What about Sudan? Doesn't France have oil interest there?

[straffo]

Originally posted by Wotan

I won't argue with you there...

What about Sudan? Doesn't France have oil interest there?

Perhaps , I need to check , I don't work for ELF you know

[patrone]

Sudan oil has a lot of swedish interest. Now you know who really is contoööing UN......Muhahahahahah

Screwed up in Rwanda, screwed up in Somalia, knew about "oil for Food",,,, lol,, poor soul, are you able to sleep tonight mr Log?

[straffo]

Lot of compagnies ...

Lundin Oil, Talisman Energy, Agip, Elf-Aquitaine, TotalFina, Royal Dutch Shell ,Petronas,Gulf Petroleum Company ,National Iranian Gas Company

And lot of countries.

[Wotan]

Another Scandinavian genius speakth.

Of course the member nations maintain ultimate authority over their forces.  

However, there is a chain of command with in the UN Peacekeeping structure. As quoted here Annan's office (by Iqbal Riza using term such 'ordered') told Dallair, to do nothing.

That's there words genius. So those (me) who say they did 'nothing' in this thread are more or less parroting the very people Crabo ( and I assume now you) try to defend.

You can argue what 'nothing' really means but even Annan admits his failures.

Annan was the head of U.N. peacekeeping operations on Jan. 11, 1994, when the commander of U.N. forces in Rwanda, Maj. Gen. Romeo Dallaire, warned the world body that the Kigali government was planning to slaughter Tutsis and said he was making plans to confiscate weapons.

Dallaire, a Canadian, was in charge of 450 U.N. peacekeepers in the Rwandan capital.

In the fax sent to U.N. Headquarters in New York, Dallaire quoted a senior Rwandan security official as saying he had been ordered to register all Tutsis in Kigali for the purpose, he suspected, of "their extermination.''

Annan's office ordered Dallaire to neither protect the informant nor confiscate the arms.

Annan was aware of the order, said his aide, Iqbal Riza, who signed the response.

"I was responsible,'' Riza, who is still Annan's deputy, told the New Yorker when shown a copy of the order. "This is not to say that Mr. Annan was oblivious of what was going on. No. Part of my responsibility was to keep him informed.''

The codemnation of Annan's role  doesn't originate from me. I posted several sources above and can fill this thread with 1000 more.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by GScholz
"Annan's office ordered Dallaire to neither protect the informant nor confiscate the arms."

See how cleverly that sentence is phrased? "ordered to neither" kind of indicates that an actual order was given, but all it really says is that no order was given to protect the informant nor confiscate the arms. Not at all surprising since Annan or his "office" cannot order anything except pizza.

Objection with semantics:

One can order someone to not interfere.

One can not order someone to interfere.

The first prohibits interference, the second phrase indicates indifference to the possible interference.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by GScholz
Funny how a lot of people don't know the first thing about the UN, yet fid it so easy to blame the UN for everything.

"The UN troops did nothing blah blah..." Newsflash! The UN does not have troops ... the member nations do. The UN cannot order anyone to do anything ... it can only authorise and mandate action. If nothing got done it was because the member nations did nothing, and since the member nation also govern the UN it is the member nations and most importantly the members of the security council who decide what the UN authorises and mandates. Annan and the rest of the UN staff are just that ... staff ... administrators. If the UN fails it is because the member nations fail.

Now you uneducated cretins (you know who you are) ... either read up or shut up.

The UN "staff and administrators" don't act like that.  Kofi calls for this, condemns that, and demands the other.  UN bureaucrats and functionaries preside over programs that distribute BILLIONS of dollars in "aid" to some countries, at the expense of the Western Democracies that pick up the bulk of the bill.  The USA has very little say in how that money is spent, since we have one vote among the nations (and yes, we could veto any security council measure; I know that).

UN Peacekeepers ARE under the command of the UN staff.  They take their orders from the UN Staff, unless they are countermanded by the providing country.  Note that the French General didn't call Paris--he called Kofi.

My problem with the UN is that nations are like people.  Everybody is out for his own interests.  When yo try to get a concensus of nations to take action in a crisis, everybody tries to figure out what is in it for them.  That's why nothing is ever done by the New York debating club known as the UN.  It is a failure at everything it ever tried to do.

[Wotan]

Dallaire, a Canadian, was in charge of 450 U.N. peacekeepers in the Rwandan capital."

See?

"Annan's office ordered Dallaire to neither protect the informant nor confiscate the arms."

See how cleverly that sentence is phrased? "ordered to neither" kind of indicates that an actual order was given, but all it really says is that no order was given to protect the informant nor confiscate the arms. Not at all surprising since Annan or his "office" cannot order anything except pizza.

Tell me cretin, do you blame the White House Chief of Staff for the failures of your government or military? Perhaps you blame the secretaries or speechwriters? Our military screwed up again! Blast those cleaning ladies!

Annan's failure was that he didn't properly inform the member nations of the seriousness of the situation. He failed to do his job as the UN's chief administrator.

Sweat Jesious, (quoting Brady here)

I understand English isn't your first language but if you don't understand correlative conjunctions then maybe you ought ask somebody.

neither / nor is a correlative conjunction

He is neither hot nor cold.

You are neither to speak nor sing.

So:

Annan's office ordered Dallaire to neither protect the informant nor confiscate the arms.

This means:

1. Don't protect the Informant

2. Don't confiscate arms

The following sentence:

Annan was aware of the order, said his aide, Iqbal Riza, who signed the response.

According to your version there was no order so why is Iqbal Riza referring to a non-order?

If you going play the clown at least be an entertaining one.

Annan wasn't Secretary general at the time of Rwanda. He was Under-Secretary General for Peace Keeping. So what you quoted in your second post doesn't mean anything to this discussion.

Here's an opinion piece written by by Kenneth Cain. Cain served in UN peacekeeping operations in Somalia, Rwanda, Haiti and Liberia

The Real Reason Kofi Annan Must Go  Genocide, not oil money, is the proof of his failed leadership.

Mr. Cain seems to think it was an 'order'.

It did not have to happen. Gen. Romeo Dallaire, the U.N.'s force commander in Rwanda, sent Mr. Annan a series of desperate faxes including one warning that Hutu militias "could kill up to 1,000" Tutsis "in 20 minutes" and others pleading for authority to protect vulnerable civilians. But at the crucial moment, Mr. Annan ordered his general to stand down and to vigorously protect, not genocide victims, assembled in their numbers waiting to die, but the U.N.'s image of "impartiality."

Shut up? I have to much fun laughing at you attempting to teach me English.

[Wotan]

That's what I figured...

What's the word you used a long time ago, ad hominem...?

You know what I think of you so there's no need to repeat it.

Norwegian euro- trash acting as if he's 'educated'.

Are you still un-employed and on welfare?

[GRUNHERZ]

Since GS is so adement about the "UN" being powerless what really is the point of having it?  The same business of getting everyone to bicker and spend each others money could be done far more cheaply across the internet... But then no third  world African playboys could get all expense paid lifestyles in New York...

Also what is the point of having "UN" approval as a just mandate to do something when the "UN" is powerless and "UN" approval just means a temporary alignment between the entirely selfish self-intersets of the memmber nations especially those on the SC..

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by GScholz
No actually I work for a newspaper now, and run my own business. Currently involved in a command and control technology project for the RNoAF.

Can you tell us more about your business?

[Wotan]

Originally posted by GScholz
No actually I work for a newspaper now, and run my own business. Currently involved in a command and control technology project for the RNoAF.

Good news indeed...

I hope it's not an English language newspaper. You may keep the editors busy.

[storch]

This moring I was enjoying a demitasse of cuban coffee at an outside cafe.  two elderly cuban gentlemen were having a spirited political debate punctuated by the accentuated hand gestures common to my people.  they reminded me of you morons.