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Offline VoX

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« on: February 04, 2005, 11:16:58 AM »
This is a request for Pyro or Hitech not for all you who think you know what your talking about.

Can you please explain to those of us who are a little confused the damage model system at the moment and give an example. There have been quite a few comments as of late (I am one of them) that there seems to be strange things happening with the damage inflicted and sustained.

Please if you are not a member of the Hitech Creations company then please DO NOT Post a reply.

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2005, 11:28:08 AM »
Need to be much more specific in your request. There are various damaged models in the system. What type of pain are you refering to.


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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2005, 11:50:25 AM »
Lose Elevator in a HO, Get Radiator hits on 109 from pure 6 position at d800 Rad is on left side of 109, 190D always loses Radiator when attacking Buffs, in a turning fight 109 loses oil to hit ontop of engine, Mosquito always gets pilot wound when attacking buffs, Spitfire always loses wings granted its a stressed wing but come on. B24 can take an inordinate ammount of 30mm to the fueselage (what about control wires?) but burns when hits on wing root. I shot a nikki bang from the below vertical and saw just one flash on the prop spinner, no other hit and he loses engine oil? I realise that there has to be limits to the programming for size and speed of play but it just seems odd and very basic?

The question i am asking is how is damage modeled on aircraft? does it take into account Velocity of projectile versus the material to pass through or just if its a close cannon hit then it is destroyed regardless of angle?

Thanks for the prompt reply.

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2005, 12:07:51 PM »
*Lose Elevator in a HO
- Quite possible, depending on the angle of fire both planes have during the HO pass. Typically the plane that approaches with higher altitude will cause elevator damage to the lower plane.


*Get Radiator hits on 109 from pure 6 position at d800 Rad is on left side of 109
- 109 radiators were at each wing root. Very common to get a puncture from 6 O'c fire.


* 190D always loses Radiator when attacking Buffs
- You're flying into a stream of AP bullets. If the bullet does not necessarily damage the engine, it will damage the weakest parts of the plane - radiator tubes, oil cans, and the pilot.


* in a turning fight 109 loses oil to hit ontop of engine
-Probably hit the oil can that was between the engine and the cockpit.


*Mosquito always gets pilot wound when attacking buffs
-Planes attacking buffs always fly into a stream of bullets.


*Spitfire always loses wings granted its a stressed wing but come on.
-You check the G meter when the Spitfire loses the wing? You'd be surprised how much G you are pulling.


*B24 can take an inordinate ammount of 30mm to the fueselage (what about control wires?) but burns when hits on wing root.
-Buffs are very toughly structured. 20mms and 30mms would blow chunks off buffs and it would still fly. However, bulk of the fuel is at the wings, which is perhaps the most vulnerable point on the B-24.


*I shot a nikki bang from the below vertical and saw just one flash on the prop spinner, no other hit and he loses engine oil?
- Lucky shot. Happens now and then.


 None of what you've mentioned seems particularly odd in my opinion.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2005, 01:04:55 PM »
No offense Kwe but your answer is exactly the reason why I asked for answers only from AH and not someone who thinks they know what they are talking about. The question as stated if you took the time to read is a question about damage model programming.

Please leave the answers to the Developers and not your interpretations

VoX.

P.S. The Radiator on the 109 is a Ducted Coolent radiator under each wing leading to a resevoir on the left engine casing infront of the supercharger assembly, The radiator is a Very Small intrusion into the Airflow and therefore quite difficult to hit but seems to be huge in AH.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2005, 01:31:43 PM »
Heres one -
Try deacking a field with an F6F - 90% of the time the first thing to go is one gun, usually the same gun each time.
Tiffy doing the same thing is either one gun or surprise the radiator.

Talking to a countyrman other night, he suffered a pilot wound from dead six at 1000yrds out!!! So lets see - 50 cal round flys 1000 yrds, passes through fuselage, still goes through armoured seat.

Are there 'hit areas', ie a round in that area results in damage. Seems like ceratin aircraft definately get the same damage over and over again regardless of direction of attack.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2005, 01:49:54 PM »
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Originally posted by hitech
Need to be much more specific in your request. There are various damaged models in the system. What type of pain are you refering to.


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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2005, 01:51:06 PM »
You know Vox, maybe if you didn't come off so arrogant and come to the realization that anyone can post on any open thread in this BBS the HTC staff would respect your questions a bit more and work with you a little to understand your problems.  

Believe it or not, there are quite a few guys on here who know a lot about aviation, historic airplanes, gunnery, ammunition, as well as software development and programming.  Maybe don't worry so much about who replies to your post but more about what they actually have to say.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2005, 02:23:27 PM »
Vox: Kweassa answered your question exatly as I would have.


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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2005, 02:55:05 PM »
Ok let me ask this then.
When two planes Ho each other and make contact LOL crash into each other why does just one plane have damage and go down?

I would think that but should go down and NO point awarded to either pilot would be in order.

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2005, 03:14:02 PM »
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Ok let me ask this then.
When two planes Ho each other and make contact LOL crash into each other why does just one plane have damage and go down?

I would think that but should go down and NO point awarded to either pilot would be in order.


Thats the your Front End my Front End thingy.
What looked like contact on your FE, may have been a close miss on his FE. Always wondered why this doesnt seem to apply to ballistics.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2005, 03:18:33 PM »
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Thats the your Front End my Front End thingy.
What looked like contact on your FE, may have been a close miss on his FE. Always wondered why this doesnt seem to apply to ballistics.



Yeah Kev always wonderd about that one LOL.
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2005, 03:23:56 PM »
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Thats the your Front End my Front End thingy.
What looked like contact on your FE, may have been a close miss on his FE. Always wondered why this doesnt seem to apply to ballistics.


I am sure you have seen on ch 200 ...

That was the luckiest friggin shot I have ever seen ...

How the heck did you shoot me ... that was an impossible shot/angle

Cheater .... there is no way you could have shot me ...

Lucky punk ... lucky shot ...


All kidding aside ... there have been times where I have created an angle that I know for sure would not allow a guns solution ... yet my tail falls off. I chalk it up to this same syndrome.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2005, 04:07:43 PM »
Yep, have to agree.  I've taken damage several times when I absolutely know there is no way the other guy could have gotten a firing solution on me.  It happens sometimes.  Sometimes it doesnt.  Welcome to the joys of internet gaming.  :)

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2005, 04:22:38 PM »
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Yep, have to agree.  I've taken damage several times when I absolutely know there is no way the other guy could have gotten a firing solution on me.  It happens sometimes.  Sometimes it doesnt.  Welcome to the joys of internet gaming.  :)


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