I fly lotsa buffs, (die about 50%) B17's---wingroots take em right off--B24...wings are ammo sponge---good cannon hits to fuselage start the fire...30 seconds later it pops---USgolfer beat me up like a red-headed stepchild one night, did 3 passes, came straight down from above each time...just a small burst..each time, either exploded the plane or started fire, which is same thing (109 he was in, mebbe used 30's) never came close to getting a ping on him