Author Topic: The 'Hog will keep flying! (Read 769 times)

Furball · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2005, 02:04:19 PM »

Such a badarse plane, love it.

But... British troops everywhere shiver in their boots on hearing this news...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2005, 02:11:44 PM »

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But... British troops everywhere shiver in their boots on hearing this news...

You guys still cant provide your army with decent quality warm boots? It's a whoopee shame.....

Furball · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2005, 02:18:50 PM »

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You guys still cant provide your army with decent quality warm boots? It's a whoopee shame.....

thats the labour government for you

JoOwEn · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2005, 02:31:01 PM »

Buuuuuuurp!!!

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #19 on:** February 05, 2005, 04:36:50 PM »

Jeezy your link clearly says that if a high levels of pulverized DU is present it poses a threat especially to children playing with the remains.

Reading is important, true, but it's even more important to understand what you read.

How would you explain 10-fold raise in cancer and leukemia levels in iraq ?(comparison pre-war and post-war.)

How do you explain the gulf war syndome?

How do you explain that the British government has already trialed cases and ruled that there are combatants with hundreds of times the allowed amounts of DU in their bodies and subsequently fallen ill? Broken DNA chains which effect the children and their children.

It's nothing to joke about for sure.

Your turn to do some reading

Study of the effects of DU to veterans

jEEZY · « **Reply #20 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:10:32 PM »

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How do you explain the gulf war syndome?

I dont I am a lawyer not a doctor.

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poses a threat especially to children playing with the remains

read the WHO report:

No consistent or confirmed adverse chemical effects of uranium have been reported for the skeleton or liver.
* No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans.
* Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported.

Yes I know think of the children and all of that...but a lack of evidence is just that a lack.

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How do you explain that the British government has already trialed cases and ruled that there are combatants with hundreds of times the allowed amounts of DU in their bodies and subsequently fallen ill? Broken DNA chains which effect the children and their children.

I can prove all kinds of things at trial, that does not make it true. See CAlifornia v. Orenthal J. Simpson.

I read your links. While informative, I fear they may bit a touch biased.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:24:38 PM »

The WHO report was already years old. There are new evidence presented continuously about the dangers of DU. Dangers which allied desperately want to hide in fear of losing a powerful weapon.

You might aswell present a chart from 1955 civillian testings on radioactive doses performed by the US military.

Little did they know, then.

For all we know DU might be the second asbestos.. commonly used insulator which was used for years untill its delayed effects started killing workers to lung cancer. Now it's totally forbidden and it's handled with protective suites and breathing apparatus.

Common household insulator in the 70's.

jEEZY · « **Reply #22 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:29:01 PM »

This is the WHO report regarding their findings in Kosovo:

A taste:

Conclusions drawn by the mission:
5. No convincing evidence is available to indicate any health impacts to the Kosovo
population associated with the use of depleted uranium.

Link-it

Granted its from 2001

jEEZY · « **Reply #23 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:31:27 PM »

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You might aswell present a chart from 1955 civillian testings on radioactive doses performed by the US military.

The tests conducted at Tuskeegee, on mainly African American males showed an increased level of cancer among those exposed--it was simply classified not necessarily wrong. The dangerous effects of radiation were know for years prior, in fact Curie died of acute radiation posioning.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #24 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:37:09 PM »

Jeezy I'm sure you'd agree that such tests (tuskagee) would never be performed today on humans.

Even though the dangers of radiation were known, it was apparent that nobody really understood HOW dangerous it was.

Or would the state knowingly risk the lives of it's citizens?

Masherbrum · « **Reply #25 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:39:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
The WHO report was already years old. There are new evidence presented continuously about the dangers of DU. Dangers which allied desperately want to hide in fear of losing a powerful weapon.

You might aswell present a chart from 1955 civillian testings on radioactive doses performed by the US military.

Little did they know, then.

For all we know DU might be the second asbestos.. commonly used insulator which was used for years untill its delayed effects started killing workers to lung cancer. Now it's totally forbidden and it's handled with protective suites and breathing apparatus.

Common household insulator in the 70's.

I read the Plutonium Files. There over 120 "patients" injected with varying doses of Plutonium. One of the "subjects" lived to be over 75 years old.

I can really give a watermelon what you think DU is, might be, or could be. You are fighting an uphill battle and your General is the one feeding the ammo. Read more.

Karaya

jEEZY · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:40:25 PM »

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Or would the state knowingly risk the lives of it's citizens?

Unfortunelty, the Tuskeegee trials cannot be consdiered a triumph of American policy.

I disagree about not knowing the dangers. I just got finished reading a bio of Fermi--he know that if his squash court reactor went he would irradiate half of Chicago--this was early 40's.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:47:22 PM »

According to the document you posted, DU aerosols remain in the lungs and can contain other materials such as plutonium.

Masherbrum it's enlightening to know that you don't give a watermelon of what I think. Now I won't have to worry about hurting your feelings or causing any emotional distress to you.

However the veterans who actually inhaled that stuff (and many of whom are today suffering from the syndrome) surely will disagree with you.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #28 on:** February 05, 2005, 06:27:39 PM »

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How do you explain the gulf war syndome?

There is a theory that a soup of low levels of nerve and mustard agents and possibly the petro-chemical smoke due to hundreds of well fires contributed to Gulf War Syndrome.

The cause has yet to be definitively determined.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #29 on:** February 05, 2005, 06:48:32 PM »

That doesn't explain similar symptoms experienced at Balcans, though, does it?

No burning oilwells or chemical warfare there. DU yes.