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Offline Rasker

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« on: February 05, 2005, 07:14:20 AM »
New A-10C ensures Warthog's long life
Hilltop Times ^ | 2/3/2005 | 1st Lt. James Madeiros and Kari Tilton

The newly designated C-model A-10 Thunderbolt II, modified with precision engagement technology, was flown for the first time at Eglin AFB, Fla., last week, thanks in large part to the work of a small group of people at Hill AFB.

The A-10 Program Office here has been managing the precision engagement program for the past four years. The office’s precision engagement program management team, made up of about 25 people, acts as a liaison between Air Combat Command and the project’s prime contractor, Lockheed Martin Systems Integration.

Calling the A-10C the “best friend to the boots on the ground,” Lt. Col. Mark Donahue, director of the A-10 Program Office, spoke during the rollout ceremony.

“The Air Force always strives to enhance its combat capabilities,” said Lt. Col. Mark Donahue, director of the A-10 Program Office. “The A-10 Precision Engagement modification is the critical first step. Battlefield data-links and upgraded engines, plus expanded cockpit and weapon upgrades are next. These upgrades keep the A-10 viable on the 21st century battlefield until it retires in 2028.

Precision-engagement technology allows the Air Force’s premier close-air support aircraft to also use smart weapons such as Joint Direct Attack Munitions and wind-corrected munitions dispensers, incapable in the previous model, officials said.

“We have taken the world’s greatest close-air support platform and made it even better by adding a wide array of laser and Global Positioning System-aided munitions, the latest in targeting pods and the infrastructure to support data link,” said Maj. Michael Rawls, the pilot who made the flight.

The increased capability also allows for the A-10C to accept more high-value target missions.

Despite some speculation into whether to retire the A-10 in full or in part in years past, its performance in recent conflicts and its program enhancements make it an invaluable part of the Air Force fleet, officials said.

“The A-10 provides a ground commander with a capability no other platform can in terms of survivability, loiter time and array of weapons,” Major Rawls said. “Bottom line, it means (it) is here to stay for awhile.”

For those who have seen an A-10, the new model looks identical from the outside because the modifications are largely in the software and cockpit hardware. The appearance would be different, though, when loaded with a new array of munitions. The new capability will enable the A-10C to carry six smart munitions, with a standard load of four, Major Rawls said.

Although it has not yet flown with a new payload including smart munitions, Major Rawls said he felt that the modifications had not affected the performance of the aircraft.

“The modification moved the center of gravity slightly forward in the aircraft, but it was not distinguishable,” he said. “The jet handled very well.”

The estimated $360 million program has been a joint Air Force and industry effort that leaders said they believe will breathe yet more life into the 30-year-old aircraft.

“We are moving the A-10 into the 21st century with the capability to deliver the latest precision-guided weapons to the battlefield,” said Col. Robert Nolan, 46th Test Wing commander.

[Posters Note:  And why not, it does that job better than any plane ever devised (though the Su-24 might come close from a price to performance standpoint).  It flies fast enough to do the job, and plenty slow enough as well.]
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2005, 08:37:30 AM »
Too bad they probably will keep the DU munitions which will mean cancer for centuries in each mid-east country the USAF attacks.

It also affects US troops aswell. In previous war there were no ' xxx war syndromes.' On the introduction of DU ammo, everything changed.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2005, 09:20:53 AM »
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Too bad they probably will keep the DU munitions which will mean cancer for centuries in each mid-east country the USAF attacks.

It also affects US troops aswell. In previous war there were no ' xxx war syndromes.' On the introduction of DU ammo, everything changed.



Feel free to prove your claim.

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2005, 09:25:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Too bad they probably will keep the DU munitions which will mean cancer for centuries in each mid-east country the USAF attacks.

It also affects US troops aswell. In previous war there were no ' xxx war syndromes.' On the introduction of DU ammo, everything changed.


You should do some research before you type drivel.

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2005, 09:49:11 AM »
There is some worldwide concern about the use of DU.

Depleted uranium is almost entirely made up of U238 which is much less radioactive than the U235 isotope used for nuclear fuel.

U238 decays by emitting alpha particles and by spontaneous fission. Alpha particles have a very limited range through air and do not penetrate even very thin layers of most materials. Larger nuclear fragments travel with even more difficulty. Handling bullets probably isn't hazardous as long as direct contact is minimized, and as long as grinding, dust, and powder is not made which could be ingested. Current opinion from the European Union and the State Department is that the radioctivity in depleted-uranium ammunition poses a negligible health effect for soldiers using the ammunition as long as proper handling procedures are followed.  

DU is an excellent ammunition as it is almost as dense as tungsten, it's about 70% heavier than lead, and is much easier to form than is tungsten.  When it hits armor plate it creates a fine flammable dust that bursts into flame within the armored vehicle. So the people living around spent bullets may not be so fortunate.  These toxic dusts (most heavy metals are poisonous), and can be ingested. Alpha particles don't travel very far, but if the uranium is ingested into someone's body, they don't have to travel anywhere to cause their damage.

Certainly the presence of depleted uranium will not make anyone any healthier.

Navy Phalanx Ammo was DU and has been changed to tungsten.

18 countries use DU.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2005, 10:12:47 AM »
A-10's are firing Tungsten now because of the very reason mentioned.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2005, 11:28:07 AM »
The problem is that on impact some of the DU vaporizes and blows up in dust.

A german nuclear scientist got fined for 3000DM for carrying a standard (used) A-10 ammunition round though Berlin in his bag for radiology studies.

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/DU-Legacy.htm

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2005, 11:32:34 AM »
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A-10's are firing Tungsten now because of the very reason mentioned.


Excellent news btw.

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2005, 01:20:09 PM »
If I had a DU round in my chest, I would have other issues than wondering if the rad would eventually make me loose my hair :D
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2005, 01:22:35 PM »
Need to produce some more A-10s, and make them 2-seaters.  Navy F-14 'bombcats' had a much lower incidence of friendly fire due to the extra pair of eyes.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2005, 01:23:45 PM »
If I had a DU round in my chest,

heh, *what* chest? :)

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2005, 01:41:04 PM »
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If I had a DU round in my chest, I would have other issues than wondering if the rad would eventually make me loose my hair :D


i doubt there would even be anything you could possitively identify as 'your chest' left either :D
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2005, 01:41:36 PM »
doh! i didnt get as far as your post rasker :o
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2005, 01:41:49 PM »
radiation saves lives
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2005, 01:47:10 PM »
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Too bad they probably will keep the DU munitions which will mean cancer for centuries in each mid-east country the USAF attacks.

It also affects US troops aswell. In previous war there were no ' xxx war syndromes.' On the introduction of DU ammo, everything changed.


Reading is fundemental...
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FYI, cancer existed before DU munitions were used, and guess what, I am pretty confident that cancer will continue after DU munitions.

I'll save you some time, from the WHO,

Potential health effects of exposure to depleted uranium

    * In the kidneys, the proximal tubules (the main filtering component of the kidney) are considered to be the main site of potential damage from chemical toxicity of uranium. There is limited information from human studies indicating that the severity of effects on kidney function and the time taken for renal function to return to normal both increase with the level of uranium exposure.
    * In a number of studies on uranium miners, an increased risk of lung cancer was demonstrated, but this has been attributed to exposure from radon decay products. Lung tissue damage is possible leading to a risk of lung cancer that increases with increasing radiation dose. However, because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer.
    * Erythema (superficial inflammation of the skin) or other effects on the skin are unlikely to occur even if DU is held against the skin for long periods (weeks).
    * No consistent or confirmed adverse chemical effects of uranium have been reported for the skeleton or liver.
    * No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans.
    * Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported.
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