Author Topic: Why no P39s yet?? (Read 1257 times)

Gorf · « **on:** February 06, 2005, 10:17:50 AM »

I know this has been brought up before but when are we going to get the P39.

It was good airplane and unique one at that.

Some people say it was a crappy plane and it was to later planes but on the other hand..if it was such a crappy plane then how come a majority of the Soviet WWII aces made most of their kills in a P39??

Anyway, I hope HiTech and Pyro are considering this plane for a release soon.

Would like the P-39D, P-39-Q and N models and of course the beloved P400..8-)

Furball · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2005, 10:55:32 AM »

yeah! why not!! its about time they filled out the American plane set... it sucks they only have these to choose from!!

Boston III
A-20G
B-17G
B-26B
C-47A
F4F-4
F4U-1
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5
FM2
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-40B
P-40E
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B
P-51D Mustang
SBD-5
TBM-3
LVT(A)2
LVT(A)4
M-3
M-8
M-16
PT Boat

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2005, 02:38:46 PM »

"It was good airplane and unique one at that"

What??? It wasn't unique. There were other designs that had engines behind the pilot. Not many but more than enough to negate "unique".

WHAT?!?!? It was NOT a good plane. It had MANY MANY instability issues. Especially at low speeds. The advanced design (which didn't see any action if I recall) fixed some of this with additional stabilizer area, but the design was NOT very good. It was NOT well armed (4x 30cals spread out in the wings, 2 50s in nose, 1 37mm -- 3*mm -- whatever in nose with horrible trajectory -- might as well just give it 2x50cal and strip the others off)

This would be a HORRIBLE plane in AH. It would fly worse than teh P40E, and we ALL know how rampant those P40E dweebs are.. I mean what with filling up every game with 40% p40Es and all

It's slow. It's weak. It's unmanuverable. It's limited in alt (no turbocharger/supercharger), and it's unstable at low speeds... Hrm...Yes.. I can see why people really MUST have this hangar queen.

Urchin · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2005, 02:44:58 PM »

Oh, I'm sure the P-39 will be introduced eventually. Along with the Ki-43, Ki-44, and other Japanese planes that are needed to fill out a Pacific ToD planeset.

It actually wasn't a bad plane, at least not by all accounts. It was a match for the Zero at low altitudes (according to some pilots anyway). The engine power fell off rapidly above 12k, which isn't a problem in the MA. THe main problem, for the MA, is that it is a pre-'45 aircraft, so it would see very little use.

The P-63 Kingcobra, on the other hand, might see a great deal of use. It was about as fast as the El Gay at low alt, had good acceleration, and could turn well. In other words, it would be an El Gay clone, performance-wise, but with a 37mm cannon and 2-4 .50s. It did actually see service with the Soviet Union, I believe 1 got a kill over Manchuria. That is the extent of the service, as far as I know.

frank3 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2005, 04:19:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
yeah! why not!! its about time they filled out the American plane set... it sucks they only have these to choose from!!

Boston III

The Boston wasn't American wasn't it?

SunKing · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2005, 04:24:23 PM »

P-39
Brewster Buffalo
He-111

2bighorn · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2005, 04:25:19 PM »

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Originally posted by frank3
The Boston wasn't American wasn't it?

It was... DB-7 was made by Douglas.

frank3 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2005, 04:46:40 PM »

Ah, didn't know that.

To easy all the reading; some pictures

humble · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2005, 05:09:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
"It was good airplane and unique one at that"

What??? It wasn't unique. There were other designs that had engines behind the pilot. Not many but more than enough to negate "unique".

WHAT?!?!? It was NOT a good plane. It had MANY MANY instability issues. Especially at low speeds. The advanced design (which didn't see any action if I recall) fixed some of this with additional stabilizer area, but the design was NOT very good. It was NOT well armed (4x 30cals spread out in the wings, 2 50s in nose, 1 37mm -- 3*mm -- whatever in nose with horrible trajectory -- might as well just give it 2x50cal and strip the others off)

This would be a HORRIBLE plane in AH. It would fly worse than teh P40E, and we ALL know how rampant those P40E dweebs are.. I mean what with filling up every game with 40% p40Es and all

It's slow. It's weak. It's unmanuverable. It's limited in alt (no turbocharger/supercharger), and it's unstable at low speeds... Hrm...Yes.. I can see why people really MUST have this hangar queen.

Hmmmm.....

Funny that the best pilot in the world (Bob Hoover) thought the P-39 was a fine aircraft and very capable at lower alt's. The russians prefered the P-39 as an air to air fighter vs every allied "lendlease plane including the hurricane & spitfire. In the low altitude combat prevelent here the P-39 would more than hold its own.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2005, 10:47:33 PM »

Woah woah woah! I'm all for bashing most planes, but bashing the P40 is just crossing the line.

The only trait that the P40 has that doesn't beat ***EVERYONE*** else is the speed. And since the rook can't speed away and is forced to fight, why should he bother to bring a P40?

Tilt · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2005, 04:09:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin

The P-63 Kingcobra, ................. I believe 1 got a kill over Manchuria. That is the extent of the service, as far as I know.

Kurile Islands after the Japanese had surrendered.............

P39 variants were the only lend lease ac the VVS actually liked and they developed CAP and ACM diciplines specifically for that plane.................

It did not shine in any specific (Western) Allied role but you can guarantee that its armament and robustness will attract certain folk.

TexMurphy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2005, 07:48:10 AM »

The P39 shouldnt be added as a US compliment but rather as a Soviet complient.

Tex.

Ghosth · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2005, 08:45:48 AM »

Agreed Tex, and as such its sorely needed.

Should be a lend lease skin, and the model most common to those shipped.

Question, is the US 37mm that much worse than the Russian 37mm used in the Yak9T?

If not why did the US hate it so much?

I guess I'd like to see a break down between the 2.

Halo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:16:33 AM »

Yes, add the P-39 -- it was fast and pretty good at low alt (as demonstrated in WarBirds), and the Russians used it with excellent effect.

The Airacobra also has relatively unique traits such as a side entrance door, mid engine behind pilot, a big ol' cannon, tricycle landing gear, wing lower and not as forward as most fighters, and ...

it is the Prettiest Prop Pursuit Plane.

Karnak · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2005, 10:30:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Ghosth
Question, is the US 37mm that much worse than the Russian 37mm used in the Yak9T?

The P-39's M4 37mm cannon was an absolute piece of garbage compared to the NS-37 in the Yak-9T. Much lower muzzle velocity combine with a high tendency to jam after the second shot.