Why no P39s yet??

[Gorf]

Originally posted by Krusty
"It was good airplane and unique one at that"

What??? It wasn't unique. There were other designs that had engines behind the pilot. Not many but more than enough to negate "unique".

WHAT?!?!? It was NOT a good plane. It had MANY MANY instability issues. Especially at low speeds. The advanced design (which didn't see any action if I recall) fixed some of this with additional stabilizer area, but the design was NOT very good. It was NOT well armed (4x 30cals spread out in the wings, 2 50s in nose, 1 37mm -- 3*mm -- whatever in nose with horrible trajectory -- might as well just give it 2x50cal and strip the others off)

This would be a HORRIBLE plane in AH. It would fly worse than teh P40E, and we ALL know how rampant those P40E dweebs are.. I mean what with filling up every game with 40% p40Es and all

It's slow. It's weak. It's unmanuverable. It's limited in alt (no turbocharger/supercharger), and it's unstable at low speeds... Hrm...Yes.. I can see why people really MUST have this hangar queen.

As for unqiue...as far as I know..the P39 was the only one of its kind to see combat in all theatres.

It was the only one with driver style doors on it

And as for crap.. yes it was out classed but if it was so crappy in your eyes then how come most soviet aces PREFERED the P39 over any other lend lease plane and those aces achieved most of their kills in this plane?

The P40E is a excellent dog fighter IF used properly as was the P40B.

OH the KingCobra would be an excellent choice also.

As for crap again.. then why is the early model 109s in the game..?  in my thoughts the early version were POSs

IN Warbirds, I played P-39s all the time .. and it was in my mind one of the most stable bombing fighters to use.  My uncle would agree on this..he flew them in the Pacific..20PSSqd..I believe.

He said one of his favorite aspects was the stability while in doing a dive bomb and the knowledge that at that time if he had enough alt.. there was nothing the Japs had that could catch him if he needed to break away... He flew P40s the on to Jugs and Stangs.

In WWII..there was no other plane like it....

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Karnak
The P-39's M4 37mm cannon was an absolute piece of garbage compared to the NS-37 in the Yak-9T.  Much lower muzzle velocity combine with a high tendency to jam after the second shot.

It also had a slower ROF, if you can imagine that. I think the German 30mm round had significantly more hitting power too. This gun could be the worst gun EVAR!!!! lol.

I'm a huge fan of the Hammerguns, but I wouldn't use the M4 on a dare.

-Sik

[StarOfAfrica2]

Besides all the arguments here..........

In the last dev. news update, this statement was pretty clear:

Originally posted by Pyro
Our development pattern is changing as all our coding resources, i.e., HT and Sudz, are going into full-time ToD development until that is completed. Sudz has one project left before he joins HT in ToD development, and that is an overhaul and upgrade of the film viewer. Aside from that project any more programming developments in the game will be minor or bug fixes until ToD is done.

However, we will continue to release new versions of AH2 while ToD is under development. These versions will focus on plane upgrades and additions, graphical enhancements, and flight modeling updates. Because of that, we’ll be putting out new releases a lot more frequently than we have in the past until ToD is done.

Given the fact that Pyro also stated the next version would focus on fixing up the FW 190's and the N1K2 FM, and that subsequent versions would focus on upgrading the rest of the fleet (and he did mention additions as well as upgrades), perhaps you should learn patience, Grasshopper.

[Octavius]

lol, I think Krusty gave himself a hernia after that post.  Apparently he hasn't met mr. objectivity.

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The P39 was a radical "futuristic" design when it was first introduced to service in 1939 and much faster than any European models of the time.  It was, as with many models, put into production before some bugs were ironed out.

And, yes, it certainly should have retained the turbo-supercharger it
was originally equipped with (which gave it a top speed of 390 mph at
20,000 ft when it was first flown in 1939.  The P-63 was the aircraft the P-39 should
have been.  The early versions of the P-39 were underpowered.  The Q
version was actually quite good, performance-wise, but still suffered from
over-sensitive controls and the rearward movement of the center of gravity
once the nose ammo was expended.  This made the plane susceptible to flat
spins.  Experienced pilots could handle it.  But most service pilots first
got their hands on a P-39 with less than 300 hours in their logbooks.
It was an easy plane to bail out of:  merely jetison the door and roll
out.  

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I don't buy the lame "it wouldn't be used" complaints.  That's a weak and uninformed argument.

[Howitzer]

Okee... I think it has its place in history and probably in TOD, but I'm just not seeing its place in the MA.  From what I hear the Yak9T would be equal to it or outperform it, and the 9Ts craptastic 37MM cannon is superior to that found in the p39.  Since the usage of the Yak9T in the MA is stagnant at best, I'm still not convinced that this should take precedence over a good perk bomber, a heavy german bomber, or maybe more axis or russian planes.  

Just my thoughts.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Howitzer
 the 9Ts craptastic 37MM cannon...

Best gun EVAR!!!!!

-Sik

[Ghosth]

Its a complicated relationship. Almost a love/hate thing.

Either I'm cussin myself for flying it instead of something with real cannons.

Or I'm breaking my arm patting myself on the back cause I just pulled off a sweet shot in it.

Call it magnatisim, it keeps pulling me back.



Fact is on a good day (defined as one where I can hit what I shoot at) Its an easy bird to rack up 2 - 3 kills in.  On a bad day it reminds me thats its slowly turning me into a russian. Sour, brooding & paranoiid.  

[Sikboy]

I know how you feel. On saturday I had a run where I had 2 kills with the first 8 rounds expended, then spent the last 24 to pick up a 3rd

But the problem with the T is more one of piss poor climb than the gun, not to mention low deck speed. If the Yak-9UT were in the game, I'm positive that we would see people coming out of the woodwork to use that gun.

It gets a bad rep in game for a few reasons: 1. Low ammo load. This isn't a gun that you can spray and pray with. 2. Low Rate of Fire. No matter what you're used to, the NS-37 is a lot slower, so if you're maneuvering, there is a HUGE spacing between your shots. I remember taking my Kurland Squad out to the SEA to practice, and when fighting over water, you could actually SEE the shots bracketing the other planes and finally 3. HE shells don't pop tanks. A lot of folks buy into the "Anti-Tank" Myth of the Yak-9T and wonder why they aren't able to knock out a Panzer with the hammergun.

I find that the key to being any good in the Yak-9T is to fire three shot bursts. It only takes one shot to destroy almost any fighter, and three should take care of almost any bomber. By the time the third round is out, you need to re-aquire your target. From what I've read on the subject, this is the same firing discipline that the Soviets used.

But with all of my Grandstanding and posturing aside, I do agree with Howitzer: The Yak-9T is superior to the P-39 in many ways, and yet sees very little MA usage, so I think it would be erronious to believe that the P-39 would fair much better. Maybe the P-400 with the Hizooka would though.

Either way, It'll be nice for Events, the CT, and someday, maybe, dare to dream: the Pacific ToD.

-Sik

[Heretik]

so what we're saying is..... the p39 would be junk, so..... bring on the P63!

[simshell]

P39 free version

P63 Light Perk

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

it had x4 .30's and x2 .50's in the cowling,with a 37mm. "or x4 .50's and x1 37mm /with bombs and drop tanks"

now compare even that fire power to the one found on the yak9t,and i think you will agree,for a dog fighter,or ground bomber..its a heck of alot better than the yak,not to mention it can carry bomb's and drop tanks.

Something the yak9t cant do,i would take the bomb load out,the added weapons for air to air,and a slow,weaker 37mm any day.

After that main yak9t rail gun is used up,your just about useless for air to air, unless you have ungodly aim and kill the pilot/engine with your remaining 1 gun.

did the "american" p-39 also have a crap load of armor,part of the reason it was so heavy?

I figure if people dont mind going down to the ground in a tail first matter like the 110,whats a few flat spins? heck we may learn to like it/ use it. as a menuver.
Pluss rare is it we can add planes to three nations by makeing just a few diffrent version's of ONE plane. usa,britian,russian.
cant be all that bad.

and yeah,maby it would not be mega ubber ground attack plane in the MA,but if 10-15 people play it per day,vs the yak9t then its fairly usefull.after all they can now go into a more "dog fighter" mode with the added fire power the p39 would give them,not to mention diffrent options depending on what "type" of p39 they would like. strict dog fighter,fighter bomber,or anti tank.

Could someone get a weapon/speed load out for all p-39's made from start to finish?

im interested in what diffrent types had to offer,thanks.

[thebest1]

i would fly it cause itsa sexy

[Karnak]

Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
it had x4 .30's and x2 .50's in the cowling,with a 37mm. "or x4 .50's and x1 37mm /with bombs and drop tanks"

now compare even that fire power to the one found on the yak9t,and i think you will agree,for a dog fighter,or ground bomber..its a heck of alot better than the yak

Er, no.  The Yak-9T's single 37mm is better than all that, plus it has two 12.7mm guns.  The P-39 would be better for ground attack, but who's going to take it for that when you have the P-38L and P-47D-40 to pick from?  Sorry, but you're way off base.


As to the "heavy armor", Saburo Sakai broke one in half with two 20mm rounds from the Type 99 Model 1 cannons on his A6M2.  It wasn't even manuvering so there wasn't high stress on the airframe when it happened either.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Karnak
Er, no.  The Yak-9T's single 37mm is better than all that, plus it has two 12.7mm guns.  The P-39 would be better for ground attack, but who's going to take it for that when you have the P-38L and P-47D-40 to pick from?  Sorry, but you're way off base.


As to the "heavy armor", Saburo Sakai broke one in half with two 20mm rounds from the Type 99 Model 1 cannons on his A6M2.  It wasn't even manuvering so there wasn't high stress on the airframe when it happened either.

The Yak 9U has 2 MGs with a single 20mm.

The Yak 9T has 1 MG with a single 37mm.

[MOSQ]

A different web page on the P-400 and P-39.

http://www.aerofiles.com/p400.html