how come the Ki-84 is rarely used?

[Kweassa]

Here's the whole list, m8. The SeaF2, Spit5 speeds are for +12 boost as seen in AH1.



MILITARY POWER
TEMPEST 372
LA-7 358
F4U-4 358
TYPHOON 355
YAK9-U 355
P-51D 354
F4U-1 350
P-51B 347
190D-9 346
F4U-1D 343
F4U-1C 342
109G-10 337
LA-5 336
P-38L 333
P-47D-11 333
SPIT-14 332
TA-152 332
P-47D-25 329
P-47D-30 329
190A-8 327
YAK9-T 327
190F-8 326
190A-5 326
MOSQ 325
Ki-84-Ia 323
C205 321
109G-2 320
F6F-5 320
109G-6 317
N1K2 313
109F-4 310
SPIT IX 310
C202 307
KI-61 305
110-G2 305
SEAFIRE 293
SPIT V 293
110-4b 290
FM2 290
A6M5 288
F4F 278
P40B 275
A6M2 275
P40E 276
HURR IIC 262
HURR IID 253
HURR I 253

WAR EMERGENCY POWER
TEMPEST 386
LA-7 380
F4U-4 378
190D-9 375
TYPHOON 370
P-51D 367
109G-10 366
TA-152 361
SPIT-14 358
F4U-1 358
P-51B 358
F4U-1D 357
F4U-1C 356
LA-5 356
YAK9-U 355
190A-8 349
190F-8 349
P-38L 344
P-47D-11 344
Ki-84-Ia 344
P-47D-25 340
P-47D-30 340
109G-2 340
190A-5 339
MOSQ 338
YAK9-T 336
109G-6 336
109F-4 332
C205 331
F6F-5 330
N1K2 324
SPIT IX 319
110-G2 316
C202 315
KI-61 313
SEAFIRE 302
SPIT V 302
110-4B 300
FM2 297
P40E 297
109E-4 292
SPIT I 291
A6M5 288
F4F 275 no wep
A6M2 275 NO WEP
P40B 275
HURR IIC 273
HURR IID 265
HURR I 261


(didn't see any P-38G/J speed testings so far, so those two planes I didn't add to whels's list)

[Urchin]

IIRC, someone tested out the Spit V and it is basically the same speed as the Spit IX up to 10k I want to say.  After that it starts falling off.  

Kweassa... any plane that doesn't go 360+ on the deck fits into my "slow" category.  

And since I'm using the same criteria the MA uses... you've got ~5 choices for "fast" aircraft (Tiffie, D-9, G-10, P-51, El gay), and the rest are "slow" aircraft.  

The "slow" aircraft are divided into "slow, but manueverable" aircraft, and "useless" aircraft.  The Spits and Niki go into the first category, everything else goes into the second.

[Siaf__csf]

Heh I got 10:1 k/d on several of those 'useless' aircraft you mentioned there.

P47-D30 and La5 are a couple of fine examples.

[Karnak]

Kweassa,

Things have changed slightly going to AH2.

The boost to the Spit V/Seafire II raised it's WEP speed to 317mph on the deck.

The Mosquito dropped slightly to 336mph at WEP on the deck.

[Pyro]

Originally posted by storch
When it is modelled to represent it's actual performance it will see use.

And what is that actual performance?  Please share your wisdom on the subject.

[hogenbor]

I'm just a occasional player, but to me the Ki-84 feels mushy and I've real trouble adjusting to the cannon. Spent too much ammo on a P-51 200yards in front of me, flipflopping like mad (he, not me).

Did not fly it enough to get much feel for stallfighting, which I don't like anyway. For some reason it seems it needs quite a lot more stick input than the P-51B.

[Urchin]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Heh I got 10:1 k/d on several of those 'useless' aircraft you mentioned there.

P47-D30 and La5 are a couple of fine examples.

That is fantastic, great for you.

Unfortunately, I'm looking not at an individual level, but at the usage as a whole.  

The La5 is a wonderful fighter, it (like the El gay) has very few weaknesses.  But there is no reason to fly it when the El gay literally does everything better, and has an extra cannon to boot.

[dedalos]

I fly the KI61 a lot or atlist used to.  I tried the KI84 and found that it does everything better.  You just have to get used to it cause it is dif than the rest of the planes.  The only problem I see with KIs and the rest of the useless planes is that they don;t have Hispanos.  When you get 200 or 400 behind someone and they start the flip flopping you can easylly waste all your ammo and not get a kill.  With the Hispanos, if you land two pings it could be enough to disable the bad guy.

Last nigtht I was trying to clear a squadie from an LA7 on his tail.  I was 400 behind it in a KI61.  The guy just ignored me and continued his persute of the squadie.  After using all my ammo, I got his fuel and he finally dove down and went home.  Had those been Hispanos he would have been dead after the first few pings.
(PS.  I was getting hits everytime I pulled the triger and only used the cannons).

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by dedalos

Last nigtht I was trying to clear a squadie from an LA7 on his tail.  I was 400 behind it in a KI61.  The guy just ignored me and continued his persute of the squadie.  After using all my ammo, I got his fuel and he finally dove down and went home.  Had those been Hispanos he would have been dead after the first few pings.
(PS.  I was getting hits everytime I pulled the triger and only used the cannons).

The Hispano round is almost twice as powerful as the Ho-5 round, when it comes to destructive power. How many hits woudl you say you landed on the La7, and at what range?  

-Sik

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Sikboy
The Hispano round is almost twice as powerful as the Ho-5 round, when it comes to destructive power. How many hits woudl you say you landed on the La7, and at what range?  

-Sik

I'd say atlist 8 from 400 to 200 but in different places.  Thats where the diff is.  The Hispano would have removed pieces making the LA easyer to kill.

Flight before that I emptied everything on a spit.  I had to finish him off with the BBs.  One variable I didnot mention is that my aim sucks but If I can stay alive in Tiff for example, I will come back with 6 kills.  If I stay alive in a KI, 3 would be the max.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Faster than the pony at what altitudes? Out turn the pony at what speeds? Not that I'm a pony fan. It just helps to define exactly the parameters you speak of.

And as far as it goes, I see at least one Ki-84 on nearly every hop. Not nearly so many as Spits, Nikkis, La7s, hurris, ponies and such, but I see them all the time. I do think some were expecting an easy mode uber ride, and when they found it took skill and practice, they looked elsewhere. In fact, I think a lot of people were expecting it to maneuver like a Zero, run like an La7, and hit like an A-10 Warthog. When they found they'd have to practice to master it, and work when they flew it, they simply walked away.

IIRC, and I admit my memory on the specifics is foggy right now and I have nothing to back it up, the Ki-84 should outrun the P-51D up to around 12-14k before the Pony evens the speeds and starts overtaking it.  I remember the Ki-84 as being pretty much the fastest thing in the air OTD thru mid-alt, where it would begin to drop off.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by dedalos
I'd say atlist 8 from 400 to 200 but in different places.  Thats where the diff is.  The Hispano would have removed pieces making the LA easyer to kill.

Flight before that I emptied everything on a spit.  I had to finish him off with the BBs.  One variable I didnot mention is that my aim sucks but If I can stay alive in Tiff for example, I will come back with 6 kills.  If I stay alive in a KI, 3 would be the max.

If you're landing hits with the Ho-5 at 400 yards, I wouldn't say your aim sucks

The best asset of that gun is that it has the fastest Rate of fire of all the 20mm cannons in game. If can be pretty brutal with a long burst up close, but I can't hit anything with it much past 200. Of course, MY really does suck

Also, don't forget that the Tiff has almost twice the Cannon ammo of the Ki.

-Sik

[Karnak]

Don't count on the Hispano to get the job done against the La-7.  I landed 10 hits (I counted them) from a Tiffie on an La-7 and got absolutely nothing for it, not even a fuel leak or a lost control surface.

La-7s are flying tanks, though I don't know why.

[Yeager]

If the Ki84 is not used "much" in AH then AH is in worse shape than I thought.  Somethin just aint right with that boy.

Are there still developers showing up at the office?

[Urchin]

Just one of the vagaries of modelling I suspect.. the La7 is one of the toughest planes in the game.  

I'd rank it right behind the F4F, personally.