Snap rolls/spiral death dive...

[XrightyX]

So....


I took up a P40B just for fun in the TA.  That plane snap rolls like crazy.  Got flipped over, righted myself, held steady with a little rudder, then tried pointing my nose down to get some speed (had 5K alt above ground), but ended up in a spiral all the way to the ground.

Question:  What's the proper procedure for getting out of a stall/snap roll/spiral dive of death?

Thanks in advance,

righty

[Flit]

I think it's zero throttle, full aeleron/ rudder into the spin, ....
lol, I can do it , just can't describe it.
 just remember to let off the rudder after your out of the stall, I spun a pony 20k once.Kept almost recovering then would snap agian, recover, snap agian. When I hit the dirt I relaxed and took my feet off the pedels,I noticed I had held full left deflction all the way down .

[TequilaChaser]

Question: What's the proper procedure for getting out of a stall/snap roll/spiral dive of death?

chop throttle to zero
push stick forward / nose down
use opposite rudder from direction of spin
when spin stops let off rudder
let speed build then slowly pull out level while increasing throttle

is the basics for a tail spin ( vertical spin )

or remember PARE for recovery ( think prepare for recovery )

PARE for recovery.
Power off
Ailerons neutral ( let go of stick for this)
Rudder opposite to TC ( opposite of spin direction)
Elevator forward ( push stick forward for this

More on Spin Awareness


good luck  

[XrightyX]

Thanks folks!  <>

[Kweassa]

Also, be wary of your elevator trim.
 
 If the elevator is trimmed up too much, that aggravates the spin.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Also, be wary of your elevator trim.
 
 If the elevator is trimmed up too much, that aggravates the spin.

Agreed !   Auto CT ( Combat Trim ) hurts ya more than you know at times! ( my opinion/view anyway )

[Flit]

I thought I was backwards, this just proves it !

[YUCCA]

p40's tend to do that pretty bad with flaps.. make sure to put your flaps up when followin peoples directions there.

[mechanic]

also learn to catch the plane before it gets that bad with rudder and elevators...

.....you get out of the spin but your dead meat if someone is trying to kill you


could always try turning the stall horn off and feeling the stall rather than the constant buzz during the stall envelope if you havnt already.

[WDOT4W]

not sure I understand what ya mean by this Mech...

more info please ??

[mars01]

The problem with snap rolls are that they show up on the FE of the chasing plane as the floppy fish syndrome.  Until HTC can fix this, if at all, it is not  a very sporting manuever.

[Cobra412]

WDOT the P-40s have a tendency to get a bit squirly on the edge of the envelope.  You'll notice as you start coming to the edge the wings will dip sharply on you.  Over time you'll get use to knowing when the stall is coming on.   Mind you this is a low to medium power or power off stall.  You'll be able to notice your attitude change when the these types of stalls are coming on and to defeat it be quick with the rudders.  Literally snap them out and return them to neutral and it will keep you flying on the edge.  

To practice this just take it to the TA or offline and go to maybe half throttle or less and walk the nose up until it starts to stall.  Try to hold that nose high attitude as long as you can without it snapping over on you.  You'll notice that as you come to the stall point the wings will start to waiver a bit.  Keep trying to inch the nose up more until it requires rudders to keep the nose up.  Once you've gotten that down you can see how far you can take it before it's impossible to avoid a total stall.    

The accelerated stalls are extremely quick.  Any quick and hard maneuvering at a decent rate of speed will get you into one.  You'll just have to find out where the fine line is on this one.

[SuperDud]

Been flyin the P40E in TA a lot and I must say I think it will improve your game overall. It really makes handling other aircraft seem less severe while riding the envelope. Just my opinion:D

[WDOT4W]

P40E in the TA paying close attention to the handling & watching &/or learning how to fly w/o stall buzzer...

on my way... well after work...

Thx for info...

DOT4
W-W

[mechanic]

thanks for replying cobra, i missed this thread for a while.

*feeling the stall*

as stated, you just got to spend enough time in each a/c you like to fly and get a grip on how it stalls and snaps.

another great plane to try this in is the P47 or the P38. both have a harsh stall if not flown correctly.


just practice, practice, practice