Author Topic: Sport Utility Mishap... (Read 901 times)

Zulu7 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 11, 2005, 03:33:32 AM »

Moose a voice of sanity mate.

I don't think its wrong to own ex military vehicles, but driving them to shows now and again or for a rally is one thing. Owning A Humvee because you wan't it for transport is selfish idiocy.

The Nanny state have been trying to get me off my motorcycle for years! So I'm not a nanny just a chap who cares about his fellows and believes in a thing called society.

Cpxxx I know what you mean. Thing is the consequence of someone doing that to me if I'm in a car is an accident and maybe injury.

If i'm on my bike then its certain serious injury possibly death. So it makes me real mad too. Its selfish and stupid behaviour.

Now imagine some idiot doing that same thing in a Humvee! See my point all you uber stupid Hummer drivers )

( oh and a Humvee is rather larger than most SuV's I'd class it as a Truck! )

moose · « **Reply #31 on:** February 11, 2005, 03:45:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I am 31, taken courses at MacNeil Rally School, and have utilized a chitload of four wheeling experiences to nhance my driving. What about you, "AAA Driver of the Year Wannabe"?

Btw, the pic posted of the Hummer is a $110,000 H1, if someone wants to fling the bling for it, let em. What about the H2? It's a Hummer based on a Yukon/Tahoe platform, but isn't a "Military Vehicle".

Karaya

btw karaya, thats nice for you - but not everyone has done the same. you and texace need to get a hotel tho, seems like you'd get along great

i dont see what chest thumping has to do with the problem of the average american nutcase behind the wheel of a car they cant control. there are plenty of idiots on the road but those types are twice as dangerous.

my mindset is i see people driving large suvs like the h2, yukon, etc, like they're an m1 and nothing will get in their way going forwards or backwards. a woman in an h1 = pure disaster in waiting. too much of a vehicle i think.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #32 on:** February 11, 2005, 04:33:54 AM »

The average female doesn't even know how to park the car backing up let alone handle a large SUV.

I let my wife to drive a small truck once for shids and giggles.. She damn near cut a tree off the sidewalk and screamed the whole way.

Must have been fun for sidestanders to se e that jumping truck.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #33 on:** February 11, 2005, 09:42:06 AM »

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Originally posted by moose
btw karaya, thats nice for you - but not everyone has done the same. you and texace need to get a hotel tho, seems like you'd get along great i dont see what chest thumping has to do with the problem of the average american nutcase behind the wheel of a car they cant control. there are plenty of idiots on the road but those types are twice as dangerous.

my mindset is i see people driving large suvs like the h2, yukon, etc, like they're an m1 and nothing will get in their way going forwards or backwards. a woman in an h1 = pure disaster in waiting. too much of a vehicle i think.

Why the insult? Here I am agreeing with your every post and you turncoat? Stop farting in your domicile, the fumes are clouding your brain cells.

Chest thumping?

I was giving all of you a part of my background. Some of you are true.....forget it. It isn't worth it.

Karaya

texace · « **Reply #34 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:23:53 AM »

THe only good thing about these vehicles is that their size makes them easy to see. If you can spot a choad several miles away it gives you plenty of time to plan your route so you can be as far away from them when the reach you as possible.

SUVs replaced minivans as the "soccer mom" vehicle because they're more powerful and in some respects more roomy. The Ford Excursion and the H2 are prime examples of this. They're not designed to be gas-sippers or "safe" vehicles, but rather tools that can be utilized by people who think they can't live with anything else. They want the large frames to carry all of their brood too and from certian venues and they're so wrapped up in safety that thry think the large vehicle will protect them in an accident.

I drive a Neon...if I get hit by one of these rolling washing machines then I most likely will take the brunt of the impact. I don't mind the small SUVs that can do what's advertised like the Wrangler or the Rubicon. But the H2? The Excursion? These vehicles aren't even designed to go off road...they're people movers and nothing more.

When the ignorant put my life on the line for a bunch of whiney kids and a massive pocketbook it makes me slightly on edge. I've almost been run off the road numerous timse by idiot drivers, and most of them drove SUVs.

I'm 6' 3" and the H2's rear bumper comes up to my waist. That's just too much.

No, there's no justification for driving them other than the "safe" factor people get in them. It doesn't matter if someone else dies as long a they can buff out the ding with a few bucks and their precious children are all right.

We'd better go, officer...Mikey's late for his game.

Zulu7 · « **Reply #35 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:26:16 AM »

Once again heartily agree.

DaYooper · « **Reply #36 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:31:57 AM »

They could make drivers licenses like pilots licences in that you need a type rating for vehicles over a certain weight.

Similarily, they make you get a special endorsement to drive motorcycles on the road, but not cars. What is more dangerous, a speeding car or a speeding motorcycle?

Varmint

Zulu7 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:55:31 AM »

I think if the speeding car wipes out it is more dangerous to others on the road than the motorcycle if it wipes out.

You are more vulnerable on a bike and most bikers know that. Consequently I honestly think their skill level is generaly higher than most drivers. There are expetions but as a general rule I think it applies. Amongst bikers over here, skill in riding fast but safe is applauded and respected. To be called a good rider is praise.

beet1e · « **Reply #38 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:08:59 AM »

cpxxx - which model of Golf do you have? I'm on my third Golf.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 12, 2005, 02:01:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Zulu,

Who died and made you nanny of the world???? There are lots of former military vehicles on the road and they do just fine thank you very much. Think old Jeeps. FYI ANY vehicle on the road is a danger to others on the road when mishandled. Just the simple fact of momentum and force makes that the case.

I suppose you want to ban the ownership of former military aircraft as well. After all no one NEEDS a P-51, F4U, FM2, F4F and so on. After all, airshow are just a waste of fuel aren't they.

Come to think of it no one NEEDS a vehicle larger than a volkswagen beetle (old style) so everyone should just get that and forget about freedom of choice of owning anything. Right?

First of all, how many former military Jeeps do you see on the road? Have you ever driven one? We had a Korean era MASH ambulance bought for our volunteer fire dept as a Rescue truck. They dont drive well on the street, and any true ex-military vehicle requires extensive modification (by law, in every state I've ever lived in) to license for operation on the street. H1's are NOT ex-military Humvees. Even the original H1 was a civilian version of the military Humvee. Yes it looked identical, but there were a few cosmetic differences and some rather major suspension changes to make it driveable on the street. The H2 is nothing but a Chevrolet Suburban with a look-alike Hummer shell over it (and leather interior, and a built in GPS system, and a stereo...........I could go on).

So to make a long post short, your statement "there are lots of former military vehicles on the road and they do just fine thank you very much," is false. Or maybe you use the Bill Clinton method for defining words. Otherwise, define "lots" for us.

SunTracker · « **Reply #40 on:** February 12, 2005, 08:21:09 PM »

The H2 is not at all related to the military vehicle referred to as the "Humvee". The H2 is based on the Chevrolet 'Silverado' pickup truck chasis/frame. The only similarities may be the actual tires used.

Maverick · « **Reply #41 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:12:33 PM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
First of all, how many former military Jeeps do you see on the road? Have you ever driven one? We had a Korean era MASH ambulance bought for our volunteer fire dept as a Rescue truck. They dont drive well on the street, and any true ex-military vehicle requires extensive modification (by law, in every state I've ever lived in) to license for operation on the street. H1's are NOT ex-military Humvees. Even the original H1 was a civilian version of the military Humvee. Yes it looked identical, but there were a few cosmetic differences and some rather major suspension changes to make it driveable on the street. The H2 is nothing but a Chevrolet Suburban with a look-alike Hummer shell over it (and leather interior, and a built in GPS system, and a stereo...........I could go on).

So to make a long post short, your statement "there are lots of former military vehicles on the road and they do just fine thank you very much," is false. Or maybe you use the Bill Clinton method for defining words. Otherwise, define "lots" for us.

My dad had a WW2 vintage jeep. There is a Korean War vintage jeep at my Uncle's ranch (in need of some repairs right now). The guy I worked for at Tucson Airport has one himself that he purchased just about a year ago. I also drove several jeeps while in the Army.

What mods are you saying are required for street legal? All 3 of those jeeps were street legal and no "mods" were required for that purpose in Arizona. They all had functional headlights, tail lights, brake lights, turn signals, windshields, wipers and so on that made them legal and they were original equipment.