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Offline Masherbrum

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« Reply #165 on: February 17, 2005, 10:13:17 AM »
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So whatsall this "Chode, pin head", vitriol about!

If my presence here offends you tell me, then get over it. because I'm not leaving. Just yet anyway.

:D :D :D


you will always be a chode in here :D

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« Reply #166 on: February 17, 2005, 10:37:05 AM »
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no gun owner can sanely argue the point about safely securing firearms


I did sanely argue that point, you obviously chose to ignore it.

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Back in 1988 I think it was......I was living in Lincoln NE in an older part of town. In the summer I slept with the window open since the apartment I was living in didnt have airconditioning. One night a guy tryed to climb through my window. He was met by the 6 inch barrel of a loaded Dan Wesson .44 magnum. I said two words to him.....'Get out!', he promptly left and never came back.

Bustr also posted a story about firearms that were under lock and key that were inaccessable during a crime, children died as a result. You chose to ignore that also since it doesnt fit YOUR views.
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« Reply #167 on: February 17, 2005, 10:43:45 AM »
Nothing changes does it Masher?


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« Reply #168 on: February 17, 2005, 01:15:15 PM »
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Originally posted by Elfie
 

I did sanely argue that point, you obviously chose to ignore it.

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Back in 1988 I think it was......I was living in Lincoln NE in an older part of town. In the summer I slept with the window open since the apartment I was living in didnt have airconditioning. One night a guy tryed to climb through my window. He was met by the 6 inch barrel of a loaded Dan Wesson .44 magnum. I said two words to him.....'Get out!', he promptly left and never came back.

Bustr also posted a story about firearms that were under lock and key that were inaccessable during a crime, children died as a result. You chose to ignore that also since it doesnt fit YOUR views. [/B]


Show me an example of this in Australia, or New Zealand.
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« Reply #169 on: February 17, 2005, 01:17:59 PM »
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and... since the idiots of the world are allways trying to make stuff idiot proof... (useless controls and triggers on power tools for example)

we will soon see guns with chips implanted on the sears that will only allow a person wearing an activation ring or braclet to fire the gun.   I think it is stupid and open to abuse by the government but...

I am interested in what excuse the idiot gun grabbers will come up with then for us not leaving our guns loaded and within reach in our homes.

lazs


Lazs have you seen the metalstorm pistol? Its chipped. I thought that would be a good idea - i'd stop anybody from using your gun against you... don't you think?

As for the loaded gun question, well, I think that I'll leave that. Its pretty obvious the USA is a different place and a lot more dangerous and violent than say NZ or Australia, so you have to do what you have to do to defend yourselves I guess.
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« Reply #170 on: February 17, 2005, 01:48:11 PM »
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I did sanely argue that point, you obviously chose to ignore it.

 

Show me an example of this in Australia, or New Zealand.



It isnt possible to show you an example like mine from NZ or Australia since gunowners in those 2 countries must keep their firearms under lock and key. In a case like mine, Aussies and NZ'rs, even gunowners would be just another victim.....but you already knew that didnt ya?
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« Reply #171 on: February 17, 2005, 02:28:01 PM »
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I did sanely argue that point, you obviously chose to ignore it.

 

Show me an example of this in Australia, or New Zealand.


It appears there is NO interest here for discussion.

It appears WINNING this argument is paramount!

TOLD YA ..... IMHO NOT reading the in here post for anything but ammo????

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« Reply #172 on: February 17, 2005, 02:43:07 PM »
Vulcan I am still waiting to hear your answer to the questions I posed to you. I figure if you don't answer that is tacit admission you are merely a troller and unworthy of further consideration.
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« Reply #173 on: February 17, 2005, 02:45:15 PM »
Lazs have you seen the metalstorm pistol? Its chipped. I thought that would be a good idea - i'd stop anybody from using your gun against you... don't you think?

The state of New Jersey passed a gun control law which states that as soon as the first gun that has technology like this has been on the market for 6 months in the United States, only pistols with this technology can be sold in that state.

This law has an exemption for the police because as we all know, chip based technology fails at the worst possible moments. The police in New Jersey specificaly refused to use the technology. So they were conceeded in this law super citizen status by fiat.

 This kind of technology allows abuse by the state. It can be modified to allow your local police to have an enabling\disableing master control. The LOWJACK chip technology is easily incorporated into the owner recognition technology. At which point the police can be notified by your pistol that it is active and it's location. With the same technology the police can remotely disable your access to your pistol.

So extending this a bit farther, New Jersey is famous for passing laws that won't pass constitutional muster without its corrupt state government forcing it through against the will of its citizens. They would eventually tag on an addition to the current law something like, if your pistol does not phone(RFID/WIFI) home to the local police station from an expected storage location, at predetermined times, you have just become a criminal because your battery died.

Since no electronic technology is ever 100% and citizens in most countries have very littel oversight control on the local police. It has been my experience the police are not very motivated to oversight them selves for accidents such as the master control going on the fritz and disabling all pistols in a 10 square mile area. Or that that 50 pistols not phoneing home on time might constitute a systems failure at their end.

Only a fool hands over thier duty of personal accountability to the state or to technology for the fantasy of security. The state cannot stop evil people from acting evil or batteries from running out.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #174 on: February 17, 2005, 03:26:16 PM »
my opinion on the chip idea is this...  I would not mind seeing it if it were reliable and, most important, there were a simple key device to disable it and make the gun manual again... the option to do either...  

I am not against all single action revolvers having a transfer bar device to make em safe to carry with 6 rounds in the gun but.... I think anyone who is capable of picking up and loading a single action revolver should be capable of loading only five rounds and the hammer over an empty cylinder on traditional single actions without such a device.

more options are never bad.  I object to a chip replacing teaching people to handle (or not handle at all) guns safely.   Most of the guys wanting government lockups of guns on this board I would not trust to handl3e half my handguns.... might as well hand em to a toddler so far as knowledge goes.   That is not to make fun of these people it is to point out that people who don't know about guns should either learn or.... simply not handle em..  

Conversly... their oppinions on safe gun handling carry very little weight with me.

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« Reply #175 on: February 17, 2005, 04:57:13 PM »
Laz,

New Jersey wants them on full time. The bait and switch is for protecting children when they ilegaly rummage in your home and keep a criminal from turning it on it's owner. So they will probably criminalise disabling the chip. How then will they be able to know who's chip is on or off? The technology is easily mated with LOWJACK.

All of the blue states are watching New Jersey closely on this one. Metalstorm's technology is being highly anticipated by them as a leading direction. You know as soon as NJ goes live with this our state kalifornia will follow with something rediculous. A law banning all handguns except for this technology and everyone will be given 30 days to turn over their single/double actions and semiautos or become instant criminals.

A law has been introduced in california that new handguns will have to be micro stamped with unique identification marks that will imprint on every shell casing when fired. I guess it will become ilegal to perform your own upgrades and repairs after that point.

I wonder if they will come up with some idiocy to trace the ball from a cap and ball single action? I'm thinking about ordering one from Cabelas to play with at the range. They look like a great way to spend an afternoon.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #176 on: February 17, 2005, 05:04:57 PM »
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A law has been introduced in california that new handguns will have to be micro stamped with unique identification marks that will imprint on every shell casing when fired. I guess it will become ilegal to perform your own upgrades and repairs after that point.


What's the purpose of that? Current ballistics testing can link rounds fired to a specific gun already. Why would they need to link a spent shell casing to a specific gun?
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« Reply #177 on: February 17, 2005, 05:29:47 PM »
Its performed with a micro lazer such that you are unaware of it with out a microscope and that it is resistant to normal wear which changes the wear and lans marks left on the round or shell. It's an attempt to get around the failure of ballistic fingerprinting. We all know a nail file can change that on a fire arm.

Wonder if this means california is trying to superceed Congress in regulating firearms. If you replace your barrel and slide the lazer etchings are gone. California would have to regulate the interstate traffic of replacement slides and barrels.

Originaly they wanted every round sold in california to have these micro engravings on the components along with you being registered in a state database for each ammo purchase. Plus a 10 cent tax per round. That did not fly with ammo manufacturers because of the cost. And Arnold had just became gov. He didn't want to raise taxes and piss of the good folks who elected him yet.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #178 on: February 17, 2005, 05:35:50 PM »
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Nothing changes does it Masher?


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You take every joke serious?  

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« Reply #179 on: February 17, 2005, 05:50:59 PM »
I've found that if I hold a firearm in the correct prescribed manner, it will almost allways be pointing away from me when it discharges unintentionally.

If you're going to jugle, I recommend that you start with unloaded firearms first untill you are more confident.

Allways remember to take your guns out of your pockets before you do laundry.

Never keep a loaded gun in your toolbox or the silverwear drawer, the blueing can get scratched.

If your gun rings, don't answer it !
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