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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2005, 09:02:29 AM »
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Better to have the option than to brag that you don't need it.
Oooh, dunno - my position is that of a circus trapeze artist performing without a safety net - much more exciting, and gets the crowd in a sweat! ;)

Maybe we can stop by your granny's house? I could take her some McVitie's chocolate digestives, and some PG Tips tea bags. She'd like that.

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2005, 09:06:14 AM »
I'd love to see the transcript or hear the conversation. She probably thought you were nuts!

Enjoy your visit, Beet1e. I'm sure you'll probably survive. ;)

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2005, 09:41:27 AM »
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The point is that the loaner would have had to satisfy the authorities that he was sufficiently responsible to have a gun, and satisfy them that he was not the type to hand his gun to some wacko who wanted to top the Queen. :rolleyes:



Lovely theory. Totally invalid, of course.

Met several people who handed me guns simply based on the fact that I liked English labradors and came over to get one.

None asked me if I'd like to shoot the Queen or any other subject of hers.

Once again, a typical forlorn hope on the part of your lawmakers.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2005, 10:07:07 AM »
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Lovely theory. Totally invalid, of course.

Met several people who handed me guns simply based on the fact that I liked English labradors and came over to get one.

None asked me if I'd like to shoot the Queen or any other subject of hers.

Once again, a typical forlorn hope on the part of your lawmakers.
I was right - again. You are being obtuse.

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2005, 10:12:46 AM »
No, your lawmakers are totally obtuse on the subject of guns.
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2005, 10:15:24 AM »
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No, your lawmakers are totally obtuse on the subject of guns.
It's not the subject of guns, it's the subject of licensing, and whether someone is deemed fit to qualify for a licence.

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2005, 10:17:36 AM »
No, it's the entired subject of guns as is evidenced by the ban.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2005, 10:22:35 AM »
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No, it's the entired subject of guns as is evidenced by the ban.
No, we had gun licences even before the ban.

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2005, 10:22:54 AM »
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It's not the subject of guns, it's the subject of licensing, and whether someone is deemed fit to qualify for a licence.


Here you don't have to be fit to own a gun Beet- that's the difference between England and the USA. :p

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2005, 10:33:18 AM »
I tried grits once. Don't think I'll do it again.

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2005, 10:58:49 AM »
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No, we had gun licences even before the ban.


Yep.

And essentially the same gun crime rate before and after licensing.

And essentially the same gun crime rate before and after the ban.

Your lawmakers are totally obtuse on the subject of guns.
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2005, 11:31:54 AM »
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Yep.

And essentially the same gun crime rate before and after licensing.

And essentially the same gun crime rate before and after the ban.

Your lawmakers are totally obtuse on the subject of guns.
No, but we need to go further back in history. According to Lazs, we "gave up our rights" c1920 - I think the 1920 Firearms Act might have had something to do with it. Gun control legislation was being contemplated as long ago as 1911. In the calendar years 1908-1912, a total of 6 police officers were shot and killed and 92 wounded in metropolitan areas alone. By extrapolation (because there isn't sufficient empirical data available, and because of legislation in 1920) that equates to 24 police shot and killed in a 20 year period. In fact it would have got worse, what with all those guns coming back from WW1.

Compare that to what we have in modern times. In the 20 calendar years 1984-2003, only 2 police officers have been shot and killed. So, with regard to police victims, the gun control laws have resulted in drop in police homicides to the tune of more than 90% - and that's despite the modern day problems of drugs, racial tensions, gangs, larger population and all the other problems that exist now that didn't exist in 1912 or earlier.

Sorry Mr. Toad, but your quoted comments fall squarely within the catchment area encompassed by Nashwan's quote which can be seen in my sig.

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2005, 12:06:17 PM »
!Guns!





Again!




How about going to the NRA BBs





Beetle please old chap






Not more gun talk!







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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2005, 12:25:55 PM »
Now now, Zulu7. You're clearly exhibiting a personality disorder. ;)

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2005, 12:30:46 PM »
i am deranged hadn't you guessed by now


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multiple personality disorder!