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Offline Guppy35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: P38G Virtues
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2005, 05:02:59 PM »
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I can easily see that in regards to the A6M series due to their crappy high speed handling, but a Ki-61-I-Tei above you would still be a very bad thing as far as I can figure it.



I think what he's talking about is 'flown properly" would be to use the alt, make sure you don't get sucked into a turn fight bit as they really did it with the Japanese planes.

They had the speed to run when needed, and thd climb to get away too.  The 38s could control the fight with their speed and climb advantage.

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2005, 05:12:45 PM »
well, lets go with a yak.  a high yak even.  the plan is to get the yak down and co e with ya.  so, as he dives, cause overshoot.  sometimes ill split s, others ill do the slight nose down turn, tightening turn as he gets closer.  continue this until he gets overaggressive and starts to give up that alt/e adv.  almost everyone ive come against gets frustrated and tries to push for the kill.  once they get over aggressive and your e states start to equalize, it is now time to start to turn with him, using flaps to gain your shot.  i havent met a yak i couldnt out turn yet once slow.  now he may opt to dive away and "extend", just stay up and grab wait till he comes back up, rope. or you can chase, but you wont catch, so, unless you have a gun solution real quick, i wouldnt chase, he will be back.  :)   there is some more in there, but you have to go with flow of fight really, so hard to describe the "what ifs".

but that is typically my game plan with a high con.  avoid his BnZ, while maintaining as much speed as possible, wait till he gets over agressive, once youve done that, he will make another mistage typically.
now, the distances you start your turns, split s...etc  depends on his e state.  the only way to tell is stick time i guess.  ive flown 38 for about 2 years in AH and im still learning, and have a lot to learn.  if you want to learn to fly the 38, put in some time, a lot of time.:aok
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2005, 05:28:18 PM »
It's my impression that all the tips and tricks of fighting in a 38 have been well documented on the forums, but in scattered and hard to find places. There is very little you can't learn if you start running searches for '38'. Also be sure to check out the 479th film library once the film viewer gets unbroken, as most of those are 38 films.

The G in particular you'll have trouble finding useful information on, as it's much too different from the J and L for most of us 38 pilots. It's climb rate makes it terrible as a rope-a-dope or stall fighter. IMHO it doesn't really turn all that well, even if you know it's "tricks" it still doesn't really compete with a spitV.  38 pilots tend to like stallfight, which means keeping the nose up, while the G needs to behave more like the 47d11 and keep that nose pointed down.

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2005, 05:32:50 PM »
i think it turns better than the other models.  
guess it all boils down to taste.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: P38G Virtues
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2005, 05:33:43 PM »
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I can easily see that in regards to the A6M series due to their crappy high speed handling, but a Ki-61-I-Tei above you would still be a very bad thing as far as I can figure it.


Fighting from a disadvantage is always harder, but I can assure you the KI61 isn't that big of a threat. It's the KI84 that's a dedicated 38 killer in this game, and that's pretty much all it is.

The 38L maintains a good advantage over the 61 in a stallfight, so winning from a disadvantage is really just about knowing when to switch from energy stealing overshoots to saddle up overshoots. You turn him too early and you'll be too slow, you wait too long and he'll get too good a shot.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: P38G Virtues
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2005, 05:37:45 PM »
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Come to the CT and show me.  :D


Better yet, come to the TA. You don't have to worry about 3rd men in and don't you die when I hose your rice burner. ;)

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2005, 09:16:52 PM »
The G is lighter and yes, has a less powerful engine.


Its not a climber like the J or the L...but what it lacks in climb power (and top speed/accel) it makes up in turning ability.


The G has to be flown EITHER as an Energy fighter OR as a turnfighter with one hell of a dive-to-get-away ability, you cant think of the G as the hybrid of the 2 the J and the L are.


Matter of fact, you can think of the P38G to be the sexier twin engine version of the Ki-61. You should fly the 38G with the same mindset you fly a Ki-61 : Energy fight (B&Z) as long as you have good alt advantage, try to force the other into a turnfight as long as you have at least 6 or 8k of alt under your bellybutton so you can dive and run if things go sour (aka a 2nd con).

38G=Ki61 with better stability and much better diving ability and better climb.

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2005, 09:51:51 PM »
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Better yet, come to the TA. You don't have to worry about 3rd men in and don't you die when I hose your rice burner. ;)

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2005, 10:12:01 PM »
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 We've had them in the CT for a couple of weeks now, most recently in a PAC setup against A6M5s and Tonys.  Last night I giggled when I saw, on Channel 2, "these 38s are lunch."  Seemed to be true,  



  Sorry I missed that. I would have loved spoiling "lunch":D

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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2005, 12:18:35 AM »
yeah let me make u giggle in my P38G

lets see what we can laugh about.


Although the tony made most kills on the P38

the pilots loved to fight it.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: P38G Virtues
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2005, 12:51:35 AM »
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Come to the CT and show me.  :D




next time the P-38G or J are in the CT, I'll be glad to show you how well it can do against the competition.


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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2005, 06:55:17 AM »
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next time the P-38G or J are in the CT, I'll be glad to show you how well it can do against the competition.


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I'll look forward to it.  are you going to run?  :D

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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2005, 10:56:26 AM »
We don't use the wable run climb and ho technique.

the G can't run it has to fight.

And when it comes to that  it eats wabbles alive.

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2005, 04:45:17 PM »
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We don't use the wable run climb and ho technique.

the G can't run it has to fight.

And when it comes to that  it eats wabbles alive.


The G's easily outrun the now under 300mph A6M5

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: P38G Virtues
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2005, 05:05:32 PM »
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I'll look forward to it.  are you going to run?  :D




Why would I run from something when I can easily shoot it down instead?


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