Author Topic: Your own ROE (Read 2388 times)

Sikboy · « **Reply #45 on:** February 15, 2005, 04:28:13 PM »

I think that burnout is often induced more from hoping that others will meet your standards, than adopting standards of your own.

I don't know. I'm fortunate that my favorite planes work well at low alt. I don't spend much time getting alt in most cases. Some of the best sorties I've flown were NOE surprise sweeps on enemy fields.

The only RsOE that I impose on myself are
1. Assume the other guy is going to ho
2. Let them get off the ground

Not HOing isn't really so much an ROE, but common sense. I would likely die from trying it. Sort of like having a ROE that says "Don't auger" lol.

-Sik

JB51 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 15, 2005, 04:34:06 PM »

During the war, most 262s were shot down during landing, since no sane pilot really cared to engage one. They just tried to evade until the bird ran out of fuel, and then followed them home and pounced on their field.

A kill is a kill is a kill - it's war.

MOIL · « **Reply #47 on:** February 15, 2005, 08:17:59 PM »

ROE

If you {enemy} come to our field or base, then be prepared to be met by a hail of AA gunfire from my crew.

It's that simple.

Have a great day!

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 15, 2005, 08:39:47 PM »

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Originally posted by MOIL
ROE

If you {enemy} come to our field or base, then be prepared to be met by a hail of AA gunfire from my crew.

It's that simple.

Have a great day!

I think Ack Ack would agree. This post's for you.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131705

Zazen13 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:49:21 PM »

The cause of burnout is really really simple...Perpetually engaging in activities that you do no find rewarding, satisfying or fun. That means different things for different people of course, there's no 'universal' cause of burnout imho. Sometimes avoiding the causes of burnout is under your control sometimes it is not, an example is playing on a MA map that is not conducive to providing the type of combat situations you enjoy...

Zazen

Drunky · « **Reply #50 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:50:44 PM »

HAHAHAHA...I remember you Zazen.

MOIL · « **Reply #51 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:29:30 PM »

I remember the post well StarofAfrica, it was a great thread.

We will always catch he11 and poked at for being good at what we do, comes with the territory.

{only thing is, I don't ".ef" or use a dot on my screen}

sullie363 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 16, 2005, 01:43:19 AM »

So why did you guys leave the game anyway.

humble · « **Reply #53 on:** February 16, 2005, 07:20:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Blue Mako
I only have one rule: If it is red and it moves, kill it.

Corollary: If it is not moving, give it a burst to see if it is just faking. If that burst doesn't get it to move, give it another, just in case.

Knite · « **Reply #54 on:** February 16, 2005, 07:41:51 AM »

Well for me, the biggest thing is that I try not to HO on the merge. After the merge, I've been accused of HO'ing people, but I'm sorry, just because I'm towards the front half of your aircraft, it is not an HO. I don't purposefully ever aim for an HO. HO to me is directly, and purposefully heading towards the gun solution of an enemy, for your own gun solution.
If I have someone on my 6, and scissor, and am able to get enough speed bled quick enough so that the other guy lines up in my guns, I'm taking the shot. Doesn't matter to me where I'm shooting, because by nature, him being 500 off my 6 was the merge already.

When finding a fight, whether or not I jump in is based on a couple of things. If it's 1 v 1, I'll try and vox the friendly to see if he needs help. If it's 2 v 1 with friendly numbers, I'll just buzz on by. 1 v 2 enemy numbers, I'll jump in right away.

I also fly with a wingman on occasion. We generally try and draw one guy low, then hang him up as the 2nd swoops on him. Sometimes if we bring the enemy verticle, for the wing to get a shot, it's an HO. But again, I feel that by him engaging my wing, the merge is completed. I also feel this is not a cheap way to fly, but generally good tactics.

Just my opinion, and since I'm such a n00b, take it for what its worth. lol

JB51 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 16, 2005, 08:41:23 AM »

Am I alone in this when I say that fair fights are for the dueling arena? I'm not looking for a fair fight in the MA - ever. I'm not looking for a fair fight when I put the Dora on WEP with 25 nose down, and I'm certainly not looking for a fair fight if I'm over a field and 3 birds are uping. I'm looking for a chance to anihilate/kill/slaughter/eviscerate/destroy my opponent, any way humanly possible.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #56 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:41:16 AM »

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Originally posted by JB51
Am I alone in this when I say that fair fights are for the dueling arena? I'm not looking for a fair fight in the MA - ever. I'm not looking for a fair fight when I put the Dora on WEP with 25 nose down, and I'm certainly not looking for a fair fight if I'm over a field and 3 birds are uping. I'm looking for a chance to anihilate/kill/slaughter/eviscerate/destroy my opponent, any way humanly possible.

You will hear the cries all day/night long of those seeking 'fairness' in the MA. It ain't going to happen. The only fair thing about the MA is we all have the opportunity to secure the same aircraft with the same altitude and speed if we so desire. From that point forward there is nothing 'fair' about it. Fairness in real war or simulated war is non-existant, and in many respects totally counter to the entire object of the war. Is it fair the US bombed Iraq for 6 months before a massive overwhelming joint arms attack with complete air supremacy...hell no, but it was darn effective..

Effectiveness is what it is all about, if you find a particular tactic, approach or methodology to be consistantly effective for you you will be rewarded, you will feel satisfied and thus you will have fun. Fun is what it is all about. If the only thing that you find fun is a 'fair' 1 vs. 1 similiar plane co-E, co-alt engagement the MA is going to be a very fun-less place for you to spend your discretionary free-time, head to the DA with a friend instead....

Zazen

Halo · « **Reply #57 on:** February 16, 2005, 12:01:25 PM »

Depends on mood. Main trend is ... unpredictability.

On really good fights, I've confirmed when opponent was out of ammo, saluted, and escorted him to his airspace.

But sometimes it's fun to vulch, mess with chutes or spray a P-47 full load into someone's face HO and wait for the screams of anguish.

Or dive bomb with a Lanc formation -- then read howls of unrealistic gameplay ... unless they did it to you first.

Can be especially satisfying to nail a score potato trying to land more.

Sometimes like to shadow prey and kill with fewest shots possible. Other times it's a rush to load max and trash an entire area.

Sometimes play like real and nurse bird home. Toil around with realistic horizontal bombing. Take an early war bird and stalk perk rides. Other times go pure cyber and repeatedly fight till die.

Occasionally just cruise the entire arena and decoy pursuers.

Play smash with ground vehicles or plink away with ack.

Gotta have variety, gotta have challenge, gotta have fun or why bother. After all, it's a ... g a m e.

Sikboy · « **Reply #58 on:** February 16, 2005, 12:12:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Halo

Can be especially satisfying to nail a score potato trying to land more.

Lol, one of my favorite Kills EVAR!!!

We were flying on the Pizza Map and a fight broke out in one of the Deep Canyons. I dove in on an La-7 in my Yak, but ended up compressing (It might be the only time I've compressed in a Yak, I still am not sure it's possible). I augered. Oh well, that's my LOFT for ya.

On Channel 1 the La-7 is just SPEWING about what a POS I am for Augering instead of fighting. I tried to calmly explain that no, I just suck. But that wasn't good enough. He just kept going and going.

By the time I made it back to his base he was just lining up for a landing

You should have heard him ranting then.

-Sik

Guppy35 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 16, 2005, 12:17:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
You will hear the cries all day/night long of those seeking 'fairness' in the MA. It ain't going to happen. The only fair thing about the MA is we all have the opportunity to secure the same aircraft with the same altitude and speed if we so desire. From that point forward there is nothing 'fair' about it. Fairness in real war or simulated war is non-existant, and in many respects totally counter to the entire object of the war. Is it fair the US bombed Iraq for 6 months before a massive overwhelming joint arms attack with complete air supremacy...hell no, but it was darn effective..

Effectiveness is what it is all about, if you find a particular tactic, approach or methodology to be consistantly effective for you you will be rewarded, you will feel satisfied and thus you will have fun. Fun is what it is all about. If the only thing that you find fun is a 'fair' 1 vs. 1 similiar plane co-E, co-alt engagement the MA is going to be a very fun-less place for you to spend your discretionary free-time, head to the DA with a friend instead....

Zazen

This is where I'll have to disagree. This is still just a game. It's not war. No one is dying. There is no risk.

If two guys are locked in a good 1 v 1 and you dive in and grab a kill it accomplishes nothing beyond ending what may have been a good fight and learning experience for the two guys involved. If that fight goes to the end and one of them 'dies', he still gets a free plane and is right back up.

Too many folks get caught up in the "so and so lands 97 kills in their Me262" messages and all the WTGs that follow.

I'll agree it's all about fun, but that should be fun for everyone. It seems like there was a time where folks looked for the even fight. Radar and dar bars sent folks heading for the spot where the bad guys were, not where they were not. Now it seems folks look for the one where they might have the best chance to vulch a field and land a zillion kills.

That's a generalization of course but as an example last night, when I'd probably already been on too long, I bounced around to some fields that had few good guys and more bad guys, and from the tower it was always the same. The bad guys were just loitering, waiting for someone to try and up. They'd come screaming in and nail em before they got away from the runway. And these were the LA7, Niki guys.

If that's fun, then folks are setting some fairly low expectations for it

Dan/Slack