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Offline Nwbie

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« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2005, 01:57:57 PM »
Whats amazing to me is how many peeps say here they never take a HO shot....either total bs ...or I always run into other guys instead
I always and I mean always, as I either try to go under or some other move hear the shots being taken as the plane zooms by...
So either all u guys are full of chit...or that da*** target is still painted on my face....

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« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2005, 02:04:53 PM »
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I will always give a wtg if the person lands with 6 or more kills, especially since AH2 came out...
My reasoning, albeit lame,  6 or more kills is kinda hard now unless of course u have been vulching, I usually assume that the 6 or more killer had to refuel and rearm, unless he is inhuman like Levi, or Wildthing, and other known impossibly lucky :), bastages...or Rope-a-matics like SHawk :)

Just to survive the rearming process now for me is an accomplishment, trolling down the runway, slipping back and forth, avoiding the rearm building, the fuel tanks, getting back on the runway...H***  I usually am sweating so much by then that I wish I had just replaned lol

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« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2005, 02:05:23 PM »
Why force yourself to use a hammer to screw in a nail?  If you have the tool at your disposal, use it.  I will headon, I'll vulch, and I'll be a low-down despicable scoundrel if you let me.  

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« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2005, 02:08:40 PM »
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Why force yourself to use a hammer to screw in a nail?  If you have the tool at your disposal, use it.  I will headon, I'll vulch, and I'll be a low-down despical scoundrel if you let me.  

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Yeah but you've always been that way, even in your AW days when you went into FR and cheated against those old 38 vets when you beat up on em :)

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« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2005, 02:08:53 PM »
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Originally posted by Nwbie
Whats amazing to me is how many peeps say here they never take a HO shot....either total bs ...or I always run into other guys instead
I always and I mean always, as I either try to go under or some other move hear the shots being taken as the plane zooms by...
So either all u guys are full of chit...or that da*** target is still painted on my face....

NwBie


Don't fall for the go under their nose move.  First of all, if you do, they will take the shot and claim it was not a head on because, well, its not a HO any more.  Second, its not the great move everyone makes it to be.  Some people will make you believe that if you do that you have a guaranted kill.
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« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2005, 02:39:41 PM »
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Whats amazing to me is how many peeps say here they never take a HO shot....either total bs ...or I always run into other guys instead


I'm guessing that there are a LOT more players in game than there are on the BBS.

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« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2005, 02:46:34 PM »
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Why force yourself to use a hammer to screw in a nail?  If you have the tool at your disposal, use it.  I will headon, I'll vulch, and I'll be a low-down despical scoundrel if you let me.  

-- Todd/Leviathn


Hehe, and it's 'fun'! Not necessarily fair to your prey, but fun nonetheless. ;)

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« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2005, 03:36:22 PM »
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This is where I'll have to disagree.  This is still just a game.  It's not war.  No one is dying.  There is no risk.

If two guys are locked in a good 1 v 1 and you dive in and grab a kill it accomplishes nothing beyond ending what may have been a good fight and learning experience for the two guys involved.  If that fight goes to the end and one of them 'dies', he still gets a free plane and is right back up.

Too many folks get caught up in the "so and so lands 97 kills in their Me262"  messages and all the WTGs that follow.

I'll agree it's all about fun, but that should be fun for everyone.  It seems like there was a time where folks looked for the even fight.  Radar and dar bars sent folks heading for the spot where the bad guys were, not where they were not.  Now it seems folks look for the one where they might have the best chance to vulch a field and land a zillion kills.

That's a generalization of course but as an example last night, when I'd probably already been on too long, I bounced around to some fields that had few good guys and more bad guys, and from the tower it was always the same.  The bad guys were just loitering, waiting for someone to try and up.  They'd come screaming in and nail em before they got away from the runway.  And these were the LA7, Niki guys.

If that's fun, then folks are setting some fairly low expectations for it :)

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In an ideal world you may be correct, but as we know this is not an ideal world. For better or worse we are people playing a game that is a simulation of war. Each of us has certain things that motivates us to play. Often that particular motivator is related to attaining some form of recognition, recognition by friend and/or foe. While I am not denying the personal satisfaction that can be derived from a quality 1 vs. 1, there is a very low recognition factor associated with it and it ranks very low on the scale of risk vs. reward in terms of the potential of attaining a multi-kill sortie to land. Also, just because a fight is 1 vs. 1 does not mean it is fair. There is an almost infinite variety of 1 vs. 1 type engagements and very rarely do these fall in the same/similiar plane, co-alt, co-E merge type and as such are intrinsically unfair in some respect before the merge.

My point is, right down to the core, this game is almost guarenteed to provide you with 'unfair' encounters, both in your favor and against. When we discuss rules of engagement outside of an actual context we are divorced from reality. In reality ROE are 'situational', that is, as some have announced', our ROE are dependent upon the situation, therefore it is part of situational awareness. While player X may proclaim he never HO's, let's see what he does in a cannon plane when faced with a face shooting perk plane without cannons such as a F4u4. There is no absolute ROE, anyone who proclaims they adhere to one is either completely devoid of situational tactical awareness or lying...

In summary, if your motivation to play in the MA is derived from co-alt, co-E, same/similiar plane engagements, my condolences. ;)





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« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2005, 05:11:23 PM »
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The only rule is.

There are no rules.

In a squad where guys like slapshot will blast the plane to bits after I just took its tail off. (kill stealing *&^$%#$$#%&) LOL, I can't restrict myself with rules. :D


I killshooter people who do that to me ;)
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« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2005, 05:54:00 PM »
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By the time I made it back to his base he was just lining up for a landing  You should have heard him ranting then.


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« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2005, 05:55:55 PM »
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Whats amazing to me is how many peeps say here they never take a HO shot....either total bs


I'm one of those who don't HO, Newbie.  

Again, it's not out of some misplaced feelings of honor and nobility, I just want my plane to remain in good enough shape to move on to my next victim.



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« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2005, 06:35:57 PM »
The truth be known, no one cares how I fly  unless they are being sprayed with my cannon fire.

And I don't care how anyone else flies either :)

I have one personal rule in the snake pit they call the Main Arena.  And that is, "No kill is worth dying for"  If I can kill you without dying myself, I will.

I'm just a razor toting psychopathic scumbag. :D

And I'll bet in you really couldn't care less.  Unless of course I just sent you walking back to your hangar with your nuts in a paper bag.  :rofl
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« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2005, 06:45:07 PM »
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The truth be known, no one cares how I fly  unless they are being sprayed with my cannon fire.

And I don't care how anyone else flies either :)

I have one personal rule in the snake pit they call the Main Arena.  And that is, "No kill is worth dying for"  If I can kill you without dying myself, I will.

I'm just a razor toting psychopathic scumbag. :D

And I'll bet in you really couldn't care less.  Unless of course I just sent you walking back to your hangar with your nuts in a paper bag.  :rofl


The problem lies in that you doing what you want causes others with very narrow threshholds and tolerances to get their panties in a bunch. They allow you to ruin their fun instead of adapting and changing to accomodate your tactics. The, "I want 1 vs 1's in a MA with 500+ plus people!", whiners are a prime example of this phenomena.

What really keeps my interest going in these games is the fact that my human opponents adapt and change and employ wide varieties of tactics to which I also must adapt to in order to continue to remain effective. This infinitely ever-changing and dynamic play is what it's all about, something you cannot get with AI opponents. Some seem to not understand this and stubbornly adhere to one methodology getting very pissy when it is rendered obsolete by adapting foes, refusing to change and adapt to the new circumstances themselves...

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« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2005, 09:18:52 PM »
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I will let a helpless plane go if I am out of ammo.

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« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2005, 09:39:03 PM »
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I killshooter people who do that to me


only noobs fall for a forced kill shot.