Author Topic: Medium AAMs... R-77 vs AIM-120C (Read 1349 times)

tikky · « **on:** February 15, 2005, 02:21:07 PM »

which of these BVRs AAMs are cheaper and better?

SunTracker · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2005, 02:28:46 PM »

R-77 has about 3 times the range.

eagl · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2005, 03:25:42 PM »

hahahahaha

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2005, 03:37:16 PM »

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Originally posted by eagl
hahahahaha

What would you know???

Dont laugh at the utter superiority of Russian missle sales brocures!!!

SunTracker · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2005, 03:40:26 PM »

R-77
Russian Code R-77M1
Manufacturer Vympel
Fuel Solid Air Breathing Ram Jet
Guidance Command then Active Radar
Range Km 150-200
Weight 226 Kg

AIM-120C
AIM-120C: 44.7 cm (17.6 in)
Finspan 63.5 cm (25 in)
AIM-120C: 44.7 cm (17.6 in)
Diameter 17.8 cm (7 in)
Weight 157 kg (345 lb)
Speed Mach 4
Range 50-70 km (30-45 miles)
Propulsion Hercules/Aerojet solid-fueled rocket

Furball · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2005, 04:09:49 PM »

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Originally posted by eagl
hahahahaha

Raider179 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2005, 04:21:35 PM »

Aim-120 Amraam cost $386,000 per unit

no cost on the r-77 but range is not that far Suntracker. You are talking about the r-77m1 that has not even seen production yet at least as far as I can tell.

The most recent Russian R-77 medium-range missiles (AA-12 "AMRAAMSKI") is similar to and in some respects equal to the American AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles. The R-77 missile has an active radar finder and a maximim range of 90-100 kilometers (50 km more than AMRAAM) and flies at four times the speed of sound.

Specifications
Length 3.60 m
Body diameter 200 mm
Wingspan 0.35 m
Launch weight 175 kg
Warhead 30 kg HE fragmentation
Fuze Active radar
Guidance Inertial, command and active radar
Propulsion Solid propellant
Range 50 km
Platforms Su-33, Su-34, Su-35, Su-37, MiG-33, MiG-31M, Yak-141

MANDO · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2005, 06:36:37 PM »

Range is a factor when attacking targets with very limited evasion capability (big-fat-slow cargo planes ...). Long shots against fighters are a nonsense.

hawker238 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2005, 06:45:49 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDO
Range is a factor when attacking targets with very limited evasion capability (big-fat-slow cargo planes ...). Long shots against fighters are a nonsense.

Or, much more practically, an AWACS.

Rino · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2005, 07:14:23 PM »

The truly effective range of a missle is well between min and
max. First you want to give the missile time to correct after
launch. Second you want to make sure the motor and hydraulic
squibs still function, so the best "kill" range would be roughly
in the middle.

On the F-4, the gunsight reflected this capability using the
Allowable Steering Error circle, which grew in size as the range
went to midrange, then shrank again as the range went to long.

MANDO · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2005, 07:21:09 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
Or, much more practically, an AWACS.

The AWACS will detect the bandit well before being into weapons range. Meanwhile the AWACS can flee, use its own ECM or even better, flee while sending several friendlies to intercept the bandit.

Hunting AWACS are very risky bussines with very little chances of success.

Chairboy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2005, 07:43:12 PM »

For example, a Rook AWACS would flee for safety while a Bish AWACS would charge the enemy. Of course, as soon as they get close, about a hundred other Bishops would climb, suddenly appearing on radar, just in time to swarm the lone attacker.

Not that this would guarentee killing it...

I imagine a Knight AWACS would neither charge nor flee, they'd just fly parallel to the contact while messaging how predictable the behavior of the attacking rook or bish fighter is over channel 1 right until they were destroyed, then they'd complain that none of their teammates were worth the pixels their fighter planes were made of because they didn't bother to help out.

SunTracker · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2005, 08:33:35 PM »

R-77 is more maneuverable due to its potatoe masher fins.

The R-77m1 is scheduled to enter service in 2005. This year.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2005, 08:49:12 PM »

GS I'm just curious but do you have access to the 34M technical order or maybe some other undisclosed TO that the US Military doesn't?

Raider179 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:24:24 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker

The R-77m1 is scheduled to enter service in 2005. This year.

Like I said I could find no info that said it had actually reached production. To the contrary I did see something that said it was doubtful that it would be produced this year given the financial situation in russia. Perhaps you could provide a link?