Author Topic: Medium AAMs... R-77 vs AIM-120C (Read 1367 times)

Wolfala · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2005, 02:21:16 AM »

Interesting question - are missiles shielded from EMP? The reason I ask - a high value asset like an E3 or Russian A-50 would be a prime canidate for a DEW defense like an Impulse Radar (or HERF gun). Blast in the direction of the imbound missile, fry the electronics - and its a dumb fire rocket in a Mach 4 descent.

Simple concept - thoughts?

Wolf

mora · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2005, 08:58:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Wolfala
Interesting question - are missiles shielded from EMP? The reason I ask - a high value asset like an E3 or Russian A-50 would be a prime canidate for a DEW defense like an Impulse Radar (or HERF gun). Blast in the direction of the imbound missile, fry the electronics - and its a dumb fire rocket in a Mach 4 descent.

Simple concept - thoughts?

Wolf

I'm sure they are shielded but it's hard to say to what degree. Also there's no knowledge how big pulses those weapons create.

Fishu · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2005, 01:15:55 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDO
Meanwhile the AWACS can flee, use its own ECM or even better, flee while sending several friendlies to intercept the bandit.

Except home-on-jam missiles aren't particularly new invention by todays stantards.

Estel · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2005, 02:12:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Wolfala
Interesting question - are missiles shielded from EMP? The reason I ask - a high value asset like an E3 or Russian A-50 would be a prime canidate for a DEW defense like an Impulse Radar (or HERF gun). Blast in the direction of the imbound missile, fry the electronics - and its a dumb fire rocket in a Mach 4 descent.

Simple concept - thoughts?

Wolf

Sure yes. But not too much. Because the full shielding is impossible and it will rise the cost to unbelieveable points. Another interesting thing: How will feel E3 or A-50 after this "ping"? As I understand, EMP can not be modulated like usual weapon. Anyway it will be spherical. So you need in first: deliver it to intercept point and in second: activate it in safe range from AWACS.

Another one. Today we showed counter-sniper laser device on Abu-Dabi show. It's fully automatical. You are pressing the knob and the system begin tracking all optic systems like sniper optics or tank optics. And then it's sending high-power laser emission to the target. Sure it's not killing. But it can blind sniper or tank crewmember. Do you use optics refraction analizing in your counter-sniper devices?

Chairboy · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2005, 02:17:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Except home-on-jam missiles aren't particularly new invention by todays stantards.

An AWACS can track targets from MUCH further out then the engagement range of any air to air missile. Even the Phoenix needed to be well withing AWACS range of a modern platform to reach its target.

tikky · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2005, 02:18:21 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
R-77 is more maneuverable due to its potatoe masher fins.

can you show me the pic of "potato masher" fins?

Raider179 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2005, 02:21:12 PM »

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Originally posted by tikky
can you show me the pic of "potato masher" fins?

here is a representation

http://www.tayyareci.com/rusfuzeleri/aa12.htm

Chairboy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2005, 02:45:32 PM »

I don't know about AMRAAMs, but a history of the Sidewinder I read talked about the upcoming AIM-9X having vectored thrust which gives even more maneuverability then the potato mashers.

Do either of the missiles in this discussion use vectoring?

kevykev56 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2005, 04:50:08 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
No, not that I'm aware of. I have NATO-secret clearance, but as you're probably aware of those things are on the "need to know".

Have noticed from your other posts you seem knowledgable in these areas. Makes sense to me now. So what do you do for a living? Looks like we may have some things in common.

SunTracker · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2005, 04:54:23 PM »

In this day and time, having the internet is as good as, or surpasses, having a Nato secret clearance.

kevykev56 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:00:42 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
In this day and time, having the internet is as good as, or surpasses, having a Nato secret clearance.

Level of clearance is only as good as your level of "need to know". That is where the line in the sand is drawn. Doesnt matter if you have the highest clearance ever you still have to have need to know to get access.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:10:21 PM »

cc GS. Just wondering considering the top speeds of our missiles are classified. And anyone with access to that wouldn't be posting it on a forum such as this. I also have a NATO Secret clearance with access to these tech orders.

RTR pull up anything that is supposedly classified on an F-15 A-E and show me where it is on the internet. I'd really like to see such information.

Chairboy · « **Reply #27 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:18:18 PM »

Ever have a chance to visit fas.org?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm for example

Cobra412 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:29:46 PM »

Chairboy been there...Nothing there is even close to being classified.

Raider179 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:30:50 PM »

try globalsecurity.org Pike knows his stuff