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Cobra412 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:37:30 PM »

Been there too Raider. Still nothing close to classified on either sites.

Chairboy · « **Reply #31 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:38:28 PM »

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Chairboy been there...Nothing there is even close to being classified.

There's no great way to prove or disprove whether a site has classified data. If fas.org did, it would take someone with access to the real data to verify whether or not it's correct. Doing so would, of course, be tantamount to violating the secrecy agreement on its own, so... this is a pointless discussion.

Raider179 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:46:12 PM »

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Been there too Raider. Still nothing close to classified on either sites.

I wouldnt ever give a link to anything that is known classified. Just saying Pike has good reliable info.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:47:41 PM »

Chairboy I do have access to such information and if I did find such a place they wouldn't be on the internet for very long. Any such violation has to be reported to the appropriate agencies. A site posting such information would be crashed and all computer systems directly involved with the the transfer of such information would be destroyed.

My comments were to show that RTRs comment of having the internet is as good as having a NATO secret clearance. Not everyone with NATO secret clearances have access to classified information but the majority of us do and your not going to find what we know or have access to on the internet.

Raider if such a site even existed it's your duty to report it in the first place. But again reason for my comments are stated above.

Chairboy · « **Reply #34 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:52:54 PM »

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Chairboy I do have access to such information and if I did find such a place they wouldn't be on the internet for very long. Any such violation has to be reported to the appropriate agencies.

Fair enough, makes sense.

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A site posting such information would be crashed and all computer systems directly involved with the the transfer of such information would be destroyed.

uhhh.... what happens next? Do the government zaptechs come in with their neurojack interfaces and crack the 'ICE' of the offending computers?

I call bullcrap, the government would be involved in taking the website down, but not how you describe it.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #35 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:55:03 PM »

btw Global security has one of our birds on it's site under the photos. It was the first ever 5x JDAM drop by an F-15E. Last photo on the bottom left of the photos page. They also have a photo of Glamorous Glennis on there which is one of our birds. Fourth row down to the far right.

I even worked aircraft 239 when it was stationed at another base prior to going to Alaska.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 16, 2005, 06:03:26 PM »

Chairboy you'd be surprised to what happens to computer systems that have transferred such information. I have intimate knowledge of such an incident where all the computers involved (atleast 15 computers across the United States) that were shutdown from the LANs and whiped clean.

The US Government can and will do as they please when it comes to such sites. Any information that is a threat to National Security will be dealt with swiftly. Compromise of any type of information like this travels extremely fast through the intel world. Especially when the information is extremely critical.

Perfect example of how quick these things work is when the Orion was forced down. Anyone in my line of work can tell you that from the time the incident was reported to be in progress to the time we followed protocol for a comprise was very quick.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 16, 2005, 06:34:40 PM »

GS I'm sure something like that is a bit more involved than a server based in the US. To be honest I don't have the first clue what they'd do in a situation like that. I highly doubt they'd make it known to anyone let alone to the leaders of that country that such a site existed.

That would be a time to either claim nothing and change the system involved if possible. Or they could very well do just like the hackers do now. There are people who are trained to do such a thing in the military and in other government agencies. They purposely probe systems for leaks. There are pretty strict standards when it comes to how we deal with setting up a classified computer system and how information is transferred across such a system. I deal with a few different electronic transfer devices on a daily basis. They are sure to let us know if we are out of regs.

Estel · « **Reply #38 on:** February 16, 2005, 07:23:38 PM »

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Cobra, what do you do when the classified info is on a web-server in say ... Moscow?

I don't think it will stay there for public use ;-)

hawker238 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 16, 2005, 07:50:41 PM »

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Cobra, what do you do when the classified info is on a web-server in say ... Moscow?

Jam it, ping it, freeze it? A cyberspace attack?

Thrawn · « **Reply #40 on:** February 16, 2005, 08:01:05 PM »

Send out the Ninja?

Chairboy · « **Reply #41 on:** February 16, 2005, 08:34:20 PM »

By your logic, "Aviation Week" would be targetted for instant nuclear demolition, considering how often they've ferreted out classified info. Hence the name 'Aviation Leak'.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 16, 2005, 08:41:26 PM »

Do have any links to news stating that Aviation Week had previously disclosed classified material that hadn't been released by the US Government?

Estel · « **Reply #43 on:** February 17, 2005, 02:37:17 PM »

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Why wouldn't it? I am of course talking about a Russian (or other non-US) aviation fan-site run by a civilian, not a government site.

A piece of classified info gets loose by accident in the US and is published on some aviation-buff's website. The US government shuts the site down, but not before the info has been copied by several foreign aviation related sites.

And therein lays the problem of controlling info on the web.

US goverment. Or other non-Russian goverment can't switch out anything anywhere. To disable site in Moscow, you will need the special permission from court. From Moscow region court in territory of wich there is that server. You can be senator or president of US, but you'll need that permission anyway. It will take from 1 week to 3-4 months, depending on region and judge.
But. If guys from FSB will found it, they'll take it all. And they will close it for public. 1. They can take court permission in 30-60 minutes. 2. They are not interested if someone, not aviation enthuasist, but a potentional terrorist will get this information. Internet is free territory, but some regulations are needed. Exactly when it can affect weapon security. And I think, if some information wich can affect our weapon systems will come up in USA, FBI will work very fast too. Both countries have the same problems with terrorism and weapons security. So our special departments must help each other.

Raider179 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 17, 2005, 03:18:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Estel
US goverment. Or other non-Russian goverment can't switch out anything anywhere. To disable site in Moscow, you will need the special permission from court. From Moscow region court in territory of wich there is that server. You can be senator or president of US, but you'll need that permission anyway. It will take from 1 week to 3-4 months, depending on region and judge.
But. If guys from FSB will found it, they'll take it all. And they will close it for public. 1. They can take court permission in 30-60 minutes. 2. They are not interested if someone, not aviation enthuasist, but a potentional terrorist will get this information. Internet is free territory, but some regulations are needed. Exactly when it can affect weapon security. And I think, if some information wich can affect our weapon systems will come up in USA, FBI will work very fast too. Both countries have the same problems with terrorism and weapons security. So our special departments must help each other.

ORRR you could just hack it and disable/destroy it. But being that the info is already known and will just come out somewhere else makes it kinda irrelevant.