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Offline BALSUR

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« on: February 15, 2005, 06:31:20 PM »
Something needs to be done about these invincible tigers. It's getting absolutely out of hand. When 1 tiger can fend off 10 or more tanks and take dozens of shots to the side , rear, turret and keep on fighting it's crazy. Oh, and as for realism the real deal took 18 secounds to reload, slower than the T34 something to think about fixing with these rapid fire tiger tanks.

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2005, 08:33:09 PM »
Hell, I don't seem to have a problem killing them with a 1K bomb.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2005, 09:19:40 PM »
hmmm my tiger always dies from 1 shot.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2005, 10:29:54 PM »
I don't have a problem taking a Tiger out with one shot.

You just have to understand angles and know that just like a plane, you have to hit it in the right spots.
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2005, 10:38:26 PM »
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Oh, and as for realism the real deal took 18 secounds to reload, slower than the T34 something to think about fixing with these rapid fire tiger tanks.


Got a source for that?

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2005, 07:50:30 AM »
Watch me.  I die with one or two shots froma panzer I took a shot at first, lol
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2005, 08:02:46 AM »
I have terrible problems with GVs. I've been in a T-34 and shot Panzers from point blank range at all angles with AP and HE and not killed them. I've killed ONE Tiger in a T-34, it was a one shot kill, from the right front, an AP round hit where the turret sits on the body. It exploded and disappeared. I've hit Panzers and Tigers there before, from the same range, and done zero apparent damage. Just last night, I was trying to shoot a T-34 from behind a group of trees, with my barrel appearing to stick through the trees. I could not shoot out of the trees. But the T-34 hit me once through the trees, and killed my Panzer. I make no claims as to what is right and what is wrong, the only claim I make is I don't understand what happens, and why, at all. I've had an M-16 literally kill a T-34. It took out the turret from behind before I could move or turn to shoot back.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2005, 10:55:33 AM »
less then 10 seconds was the average reload time, 18 if the gun was fully elevated
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=503067
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2005, 11:02:17 AM »
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Something needs to be done about these invincible tigers. It's getting absolutely out of hand. When 1 tiger can fend off 10 or more tanks and take dozens of shots to the side , rear, turret and keep on fighting it's crazy. Oh, and as for realism the real deal took 18 secounds to reload, slower than the T34 something to think about fixing with these rapid fire tiger tanks.


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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2005, 11:32:37 AM »
Fly a plane.  

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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2005, 11:37:49 AM »
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Fly a plane.  

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Aww shut up.:D
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2005, 02:30:15 PM »
I read that BB flit, some good stuff there. I noticed they did alot of testing on tank destroyers. I saw that an average of 10 sec for firing and when working out of the "G" rack its was 17.8 secounds. I happened to come across the Tiger gunner's manual. It is stated that expected performance was to have 1 hit outta 3 within 30 secounds. So, an average of 10 secounds. Just did alittle test and AH's tigers firing rate of 4 secounds. Which is the firing rate of the Flak 88 but not the Tiger's 88. So, I dont know if this was overlooked but can it be fixed?
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2005, 02:52:34 PM »
I'm sure it will be fixed if it's correct.

Offline Urchin

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2005, 02:58:24 PM »
Yea, I imagine if you have a chat with Pyro about it you can see what he thinks.  

Regarding the T-34/76 vs the Tiger... the Tiger is and should be practically invulnerable with the ammo we've got modelled for the T-34.  

The T-34 we have in the game is able to penetrate the side and rear turret from point blank range, you have to hit the exact same spot 3 times to do any damage, based on my testing anyway.

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2005, 06:57:03 AM »
Well if that's the case the perk cost for the thing needs to go down considerably. I really don't think there that uber anyway. Sure I've ran across quite a few that  just wouldn't die.( Like Balsur's in tank town a few times)  And have even drove a few that seemed weaker than a m3.
  But as of latlely I really have no problem killing them. Or being killed in one. Just 3 or 4 days ago I tracked one with the mg of my m3 while on a resupply run for my squaddie. Sure he finished him off in his panzer but I got the kill. :lol . But then the ditch bug got me so it was only worth a little over 14 points.
 Then on the other hand I have the film ( around somewhere) of the end of a good long range battle between my tiger and another where I had to run him out of ammo. Then I had to shoot him from the dead 6 to get him to die.
  I'm just saying with the reload time more than doubled. The Tiger would probably be used alot less.  Especiallly at the current perk price.