Disco and other type unfair charges

[eta32]

I know before I start... I am going to catch grief.. from some people and be called a whiner.. but I don't care! Go on
for those of you that think you are going to impress Hightech or the other powers that be.... take your best shot.
I do not feel I am whining.. but... instead voiceing the *****ing and complaining that I hear every day... from a lot of guys, and I will agree with them.

There are times... when it is best to keep quiet.. but since I pay my monthly.... I feel I have the right to post my griefs..

Here goes.. First it is extremely unfair.. when you take a perk vehicle.. or even airplane... pay the points... and when you lose connection.. you are charged.. not only what you paid for the vehicle or plane but more.
Also.. when you do not get discoed.. but are just killed... then it is one thing to be charged the amount of points that was assessed for the veh or plane... but..  when you have mulitple kills you are charged even more.
For example... I upped a tiger.... paid 35 points for the tiger... killed 5 tanks.. one a tiger... then someone blindsided me.. I died.. guess what I was charged for the tiger? yup... more than I paid... I was charged 42.58 points... and that was with 5 kills and one a tiger.
Also.. while I am at it... who the heck ever heard of a tank slowly inching backwards.. to snuggle into the trees.... but.... OOOPs... I touched the tree... now.. guess what? yup.. was kicked out about 15 yards.. and upside down...
Now... here is the insult to the whole thing.. one day Hightech was online.. I asked him when that problem was going to be rectified... and he made an as usual smart remark... "well don't run into the tree". Give me a break!
Fix the defects.. we pay for you good money for this.. fix it.
If your going to charge us hard earned points... then fix the damned problems.

[OOZ662]

Amen!

I'm not saying this in a way like "FIX TEH PREEBLEMS TOMARROW OR ME AM SUEING YOU!!!!!!11!1one!"

Rather like "Please try to fix the problems, and if you can't, make a board for you to say 'I can't reproduce this bug' and have us lab rats test it out and record it. That way, we know you're paying attention to us, we know you've heard of X bug before, and you've done your best to fix it but can't at the current time."

And now, I must sleep. Poof!

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by eta32
I know before I start... I am going to catch grief.. from some people and be called a whiner..  

You might have sent it in an email and kept it between you and the recipient.  That would have been the proper thing to do.  Your post was totally for your own ego so you can brag about how you told off HTC and not to solve a problem.  Your rant didnt contain one single useful complaint other than your explanation of the lost Tiger perk points.  The rest were so generic as to be totally useless in hunting for a programming problem that is probably tough to nail down.

I really dont give a rat's arse if anyone at HTC reads my post or not, but I can tell you how much importance they will give to yours after your wonderful posting ettiquite.  Round File.



Whiner.

[Schutt]

You should seperate the paragraphs, specially when talking about two independent problems.

Also using the dots all the time is bad style, i was impressed how hard it is to read the post.

So to be taken serious i would suggest that you try harder to write properly formatted text with well build sentences.
I must admitt that mine are not to good either, but trust me it will help you in a lot of other aspects in your live so try harder.

ciao schutt

[SkyWolf]

Heh....... $14.95 a month is good money? Remember two bucks an hour? Remember 12 bucks an hour... or 22? This game is an incredible bargain...... and your post didn't contain enough info to solve anything. Also... don't run into trees.

Woof

[MOSQ]

Agree the post was poorly written.

However two of the points are valid, one not.

1) If you get discoed, you lose your points. It's frustrating as heck, but if the system were otherwise then players would intentionally disco to save their points when they were sure they would die soon. For example if your Tiger has been de-tracked and the turret is out, enemy Panzers are circling in, all you'd have to do is turn your cable modem off to disco, perk points saved.

Another example: Your 262 just lost both engines. No way you'll be able to RTB. Just unplug your phone line or turn off your computer. Disco, perk points saved.

You just have to accept it as a risk of perk rides.

The other two issues are not new and have been posted as bugs for a very long time.

2) GV's bouncing off trees and bushes is problem. Someday they will be able to code objects with a hardness or stiffness factor. But as of today they seem to be either 100% rock solid, or totally mirages that can be driven through. There is no in between. It's not so much a "bug" as extra modelling that needs to be done in the future.

You may not have been here, but in the past if you touched a rock solid object, your GV blew up. For example town buildings used to blow apart and the pieces were laying on the ground. If you drove your Tiger over a roof shingle now laying on the ground....blammo! And AK Desert had white rocks across the landscape. If you drove over one, blammo! In comparison, bouncing off objects is fine with me. At least for now.  

3) Losing not only your perk cost but the added kill perks is ridiculous. This has been complained about for YEARS! This is a bug, the formula that computes the perks lost is just plain wrong.

[eta32]

First to the idiot that said  I should have sent an email and the post was for my ego, you are full of crap, what the heck does ego have to do with posting on the bulletin board about problems?

If you were to check the number of posts I have made , you would see that I have been a member for quite awhile and have not posted that many times.  So  to your statement, I say:  BS
If it were for ego I would have a whole lot more posts, but I do not.

I posted it here for a reason, and the reason is I have asked Higtech personally about the problem and both times received smart aleck responses  online and of course his little butt kissers flamed me online also.
 
This post was for everyone to see, so they can also voice their displeasure with the problems.

As for my literary style, well fellas.. tough do do. I did  not write the post for you lliterary critics nor to entertain you, I was very frustrated and pissed when I wrote it.

So flame away if you have nothing better to do.

In the mean time High Tech Creations fix the problem.

And  for you fellas that want to keep taking up for them and or making excuses or rationalizing for them, then you can suffer with the rest of us.

In the mean time get past the litterary style or lack of and concentrate on the issues stated.

Stop making excuses for them. If they are smart enough to create this game they are smart enough to fix the damned problems.

I have played a lot of games and I like this game, but it does piss me off and frustrate me with some of the stupid problems that remain unfixed.

Oh and one more thing, to the guy that mocked the $14.95, I have news for you bud, the money is NOT the issue. The issue is getting full value for the money spent,  full value includes getting the satisfaction one expects to receive for the money spent, regardless of the amount

That being said, NOW you can flame away or support and agree that we do have these problems and they need to be fixed.

[SkyWolf]

I wasn't trying to mock you on the $14.95. I was just amazed that you somehow felt you were being cheated or shortchanged. Even assuming maybe 4 hours of flying per weekend.... that works out to a bit over 90 cents per hour.  I understand that you get frustrated... but WTH else can you do for 93 cents an hour that's this interesting and amusing (well...short of baloney boppin', but I'm 46 years old and this is more fun for me). It's pretty cheap entertainment. You need to chill the F.O. and approach the problem a bit differently.  Lighten up man.

Woof

[BigGun]

Originally posted by eta32
Oh and one more thing, to the guy that mocked the $14.95, I have news for you bud, the money is NOT the issue. The issue is getting full value for the money spent,  full value includes getting the satisfaction one expects to receive for the money spent, regardless of the amount

Well if you know the problems persist & you are not getting the satisfaction expected, why continue to pay the $14.95??

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by eta32

So flame away if you have nothing better to do.


Oh and one more thing, to the guy that mocked the $14.95, I have news for you bud, the money is NOT the issue. The issue is getting full value for the money spent,  full value includes getting the satisfaction one expects to receive for the money spent, regardless of the amount

That being said, NOW you can flame away or support and agree that we do have these problems and they need to be fixed.

No one flamed you in this thread.  The only one flaming anyone is you.  I find it rather hard to believe you can get that worked up over a game.  We DO support your desire to see problems fixed.  We do NOT support your methods of trying to get it done.  Oh, and I dont call being supportive of HT and his crew "buttkissing", I call it "community".  The rest HT can answer for himself, if he feels like it.  

And just between you and me, ego SHOULD have nothing to do with posting on the BBS about problems.  That was the whole point.  Obviously, just like the concepts of politeness and accuracy, my comment was over your head as well.  



Whiner.

[loony1]

as far as more perks lost....i too uped a tiger...cost me 57 perks......had 51 kills befor i died and lost 54 perks....what gives.....not quite fare:confused:

[hitech]

Perks when disco  is very intentional.  And is done the way it is on purpose.

Loosing perks when dieing: People have stated it, but it is normaly caused by refresh problems. I.E. It realy isn't a bug.

Cost is stored at begining of flight. Now if you just jumped into the game. The cost being displayed in the hangar might not be the acctual bonous multiplier. It take a min or so for everyone to be sent to you client to be able to calc that multiplier. The host controls the real multiplier.


I just went and retested . Upped a tiger. Cost at launch 66.

Killed 4 panzers. Panzer ENY 30 Tiger ENY 5.  4Kills = 4 * 0.166 = 0.664 Perks

Perks awarded after I was killed.

-63.7 I.E. lost 63.7 perks.

Difference in the score is due to a change in 1 player count, and rounding the display to even numbers.

Even if I had killed that panzer 50 times  I would still have lost 57 perks.

I.E. Threre isn't a bug.

Vehicle fliping.

The only time I have seen vehicle flip is when continualy pushing up against a tree, wrather than going around it. The resones they flip is do to an inablity to calc forces when at the edge of poly that you are trying to go around. Fixing this issue is not a minor thing. And requires a rework of some of the objects. If you stike any object at speed you will just be stoped. If you back off and go around you will not flip your tank.