Author Topic: Please oh please blame anyone but me... (Read 1194 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #30 on:** February 17, 2005, 09:44:01 PM »

On the one hand we have your standard run of the mill criminal that doesn't respect the rights of others.

On the other... we have your standard run of the mill whackjob that can't respect the rights of others.

Lock 'em up together.

vorticon · « **Reply #31 on:** February 17, 2005, 10:20:53 PM »

" 5 minutes on a pacman didn't do stuff all to your head."

i was 10 times more violent after 20 minutes of repetive losing of games like pacman than after a similar string of repetive losing in a FPS...

Halo · « **Reply #32 on:** February 17, 2005, 10:31:31 PM »

For better or worse, regardless of stimuli, people are responsible for their own actions and must take the consequences for any crimes they commit under whatever influences.

Mitigating circumstances primarily concern mental competency before and during the crimes.

Rating systems such as mopic and game content, and usage restrictions such as drivers' licenses are a reasonable attempt for society to allow fullest freedom to all citizens while regulating access by immature or otherwise unqualified individuals.

Suing manufacturers simply because their products are involved in crimes is misplaced blame -- e.g., gun makers don't kill people; some people who use guns kill people, some with justification and some without.

Faulty products are a different issue. Then liability is logical.

Most people, in the U.S. anyway, seem to agree on these principles judging from past and present law.

Sandman's thread title sums it up: the guilty and those involved with them often resort to trying to blame anything other than themselves for what they did.

Dago · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2005, 11:36:35 PM »

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Originally posted by JB88
when i was a child. i played with woodchips. it was good enough for me dammit!

lol.

When I was a child, if I hadn't been born a boy, I wouldn't have had anything to play with.

dago

Sandman · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2005, 11:37:50 PM »

How's your vision?

capt. apathy · « **Reply #35 on:** February 18, 2005, 12:34:49 AM »

if your kid can be pushed over the edge by a video-game or an album, you're not doing your job.

Zulu7 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 18, 2005, 02:15:04 AM »

Thing is I agree with most of you. The Video game is not the cause. I just question wether we need a "game" that glamourises cop killing, prostution and drug dealing. A game is way more immersive than a movie. And this kind of sh*t adds to the crime is cool culture that is turning estates like the ones I work in into hellish places for decent people to live. Even the good parents struggle because their kids are out of the house and in contact with those, whose parents are not so good, at school and on the street.

I don't want to take away rights from people but I think we have to look at our responsibility too and its not clever to produce this kind of cr*p and sell it to kids or to be honest some adults I've met too! We ought to stop blaming other people, bad parents etc and look at whart we as individuals can do to make this a better world. One small tjhing is to stop buying cr*p games like GTA. No market no production. One less factor to add to the mix Crime is not cool it busts up peoples lives and this kind of game stinks in my humble opinion.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #37 on:** February 18, 2005, 05:43:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Zulu7
Thing is I agree with most of you. The Video game is not the cause. I just question whether we need a "game" that glamourises cop killing, prostution and drug dealing. A game is way more immersive than a movie. And this kind of sh*t adds to the crime is cool culture that is turning estates like the ones I work in into hellish places for decent people to live. Even the good parents struggle because their kids are out of the house and in contact with those, whose parents are not so good, at school and on the street.

I don't want to take away rights from people but I think we have to look at our responsibility too and its not clever to produce this kind of cr*p and sell it to kids or to be honest some adults I've met too! We ought to stop blaming other people, bad parents etc and look at whart we as individuals can do to make this a better world. One small tjhing is to stop buying cr*p games like GTA. No market no production. One less factor to add to the mix Crime is not cool it busts up peoples lives and this kind of game stinks in my humble opinion.

oh, won't someone please think of the children?

it's not about whether or not we "need" games like this. it's about "should the gov't be involved in telling you what type of entertainment is OK?"
it's my opinion (and I'm fairly sure our founding-fathers would back me up on this if they were around) that the gov't has no business deciding what I need to be doing as long as I'm not hurting anyone else.
other than restricting who can purchase certain games. if the parents decide their kids can play them then they just go pick them up for the kid and the rest of us butt out.
these sort of issues are personal family matters and and should be handled within the individual family.

BTW- I do agree with you that the game is a POS. it was my decision that my kids wouldn't be allowed to play it until they where about 16.
I really don't want the gov't involved in the process of raising my kids. I've met quite a few people who were raised under he supervision of gov't caseworkers I think I'll do better without their input.

indy007 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 18, 2005, 07:29:02 AM »

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #39 on:** February 18, 2005, 10:35:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Pfftt... reality is reality and virtual is not.

Do what you want in the virtual world. Kill, rape, maim and pillage to your hearts content.

But in the real world, you better not hurt anyone... and if you do, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the game.

I think the thin ice is putting limits on personal accountabilty for one's own actions.

Exactly. its about knowing right from wrong and accepting and being held personally responcable for your own actions.
something which is becomming rarer by the day.
Now its "because he was abused as a child" or "because its on TV, or a game", or whatever

BS No matter what you know doing these things is wrong. And if you do it anyway YOU are the one responcable because you KNEW it was wrong yet you did it anyway.

Lack of real parenting is as much a part of it as anything with kids these days.

We've gotten way to soft with our kids over fear that we may "emotionally scar" them. Well some scars are good and longterm serve a greater purpose.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #40 on:** February 18, 2005, 10:42:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
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Look at hypnosis, and all those other mind-shaping techniques used for things like crowd control, motivation, teamwork etc... 5 minutes on a pacman didn't do stuff all to your head. But now graphics like GTA exposed to a kid hours on end during the day.... u gotta wonder what it does to him inside.

Yes but hasnt it been proven that you cant make people do things under hypnosis they dont want to do?

If not then I need to learn it
For the wife

"whenever you hear me say the word pillow"
"You will become a kinky nymphomanic, you will become a kinky nymphomaniac"

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #41 on:** February 18, 2005, 10:44:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
How's your vision?

Lets hope its at least well enough to shave his palms

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 18, 2005, 11:05:25 AM »

vulcan... are you female? or are u just.. you know... a "UK' type?

If you are female are you good looking?

lazs

Zulu7 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 18, 2005, 11:12:05 AM »

Tell your "are a UK type" to those chaps in the British army!!!!

Or a bunch of very pissed off ( probably leftwing ) Miners back in the 80s

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 18, 2005, 11:23:09 AM »

you mean... all those really liberal soldiers or...

maybe the strikers of what? the eighties? I don't think you know what they were thinking or their ideoldgies but my guess is that they were far less left wing than you think and far more concerned with personal gain.

lazs