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Beltfedd

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Opinion of the La-5?
« on: March 06, 2001, 05:44:00 PM »
Hi guys,

Through reading your posts, it seems the way to go in AH is to commit to one plane for a good length of time and really learn it (especially for someone like me who's been playing for a week and it still learning much about realistic air combat).  I tooled around in various planes in the training area for a couple of days, now I am starting to settle into the La-5.  

I wanted to ask you all a quick question:  Is this a good choice for a total noob to be flying?  My concern is I might have picked a plane that is particularly tough, and being a newbie I might be better off going for something a little more lenient.

I can tell from these boards that going with the George would be the easy way, but the easy way never really has seemed to interest me (just ask my parents :P).

Here is my limited, noob assessment of the La-5 so far:

1.  Climbs exceptionally well when it is low-level.  Get that sucker up to 5k, hopefully above 300 mph and you are good to go on that nearby low level furball.

2.  Dives surprising well, and with its decently high low-level speed, I've managed to catch a few 109s on the deck while they are extending.

3.  Good roll and turn rate, stall horn doesn't seem to "irritable".  It appears that this plane can out-turn most E fighters, while being a decent low-level E fighter itself.

4.  Guns: 2 20mm x 200 rpg isn't horribly great, but it isn't too bad either.  Only two bullet streams plus one gun type makes it less complicated for my newbie mind to hit.  Ammo seems to last long enough for me to get 2-3 kills per sortie if I don't spray too much.  Usually can start flashing a jinking target at 400 or less.

5.  Fuel goes pretty quick.  But with the way I'm flying it (quick entry into low-level engagements), it doesn't seem to matter much.

Summary: La-5 appears to be a great low-level hybrid E/TnB fighter that is forgiving to fly, has medium guns and fast fuel consumption.


The aircraft that give me the most trouble are the Tiffie and George.  Tiffie because it's the only thing I've seen outrun me (and therefore catch me) on the deck, I can think my way past that one.  George, well, they just seem to get me everytime. Eventhough theoretically I should be able to out-climb and out-speed them on the deck, it never seems that it turns out that way, I'm assuming they just amass large amounts of E even while TnBing.

Thanks for any thoughts/corrections!

Belt


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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2001, 07:34:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Beltfedd:
Hi guys,

Through reading your posts, it seems the way to go in AH is to commit to one plane for a good length of time and really learn it (especially for someone like me who's been playing for a week and it still learning much about realistic air combat).  I tooled around in various planes in the training area for a couple of days, now I am starting to settle into the La-5.  

Gotta disagree a bit with you. To be commited to one plane most of the time will win you a lot of knowledge on how to pilot that plane, to know its tricks and tags, and to know how to ride it to the limit of its qualities.

But I'd tell you not to leave at all flying other planes sometimes, because the other part of the story is that you must know how do the planes you are fighting perform and maneouver  . And I'm not talking about the TA only, in the MA. for instance in the TA you wont ever learn to fly a P51 properly.(unless you are flying against an instructor)

I wanted to ask you all a quick question:  Is this a good choice for a total noob to be flying?  My concern is I might have picked a plane that is particularly tough, and being a newbie I might be better off going for something a little more lenient.

the La5?...hardly a better choice IMO.This plane under 15K has very good handling, nice acceleration, nice climbrate, very good top speed and good initial turning. It is like a 109G6 and Fw190A5 mixed in one airframe, and with almost no vices at all.

You will have a little tough time to get good deflection shoots with the La, because its long cowling, but the cannons are pretty hard hitting (IMO) and fire very concentrated  

I can tell from these boards that going with the George would be the easy way, but the easy way never really has seemed to interest me (just ask my parents :P).

With the N1K2 you wont learn to fly AH, IMO. Same with the Chog (no flames please, this is my humble opinion). The N1K2 turns in a dime and accelerates and zoooms like a monster. Has very few torque and very good firepower. Is a bit slow, but other than that it has almost no vices and allows very inept handling without big problem.

In a Chog you tend to go for the fast snapshot instead of working into ACM and proper maneouvers. You get the "firepower" vice with this plane, it will get problematic to get back into a plane with less firepower, less range artillery and lower accuracy. And you burn too much E on the quest for the snapshot.

the La5 is a pretty good plane to start with. The SpitIX too, but its much slower under 10K (but much better turner aswell)

Here is my limited, noob assessment of the La-5 so far:

1.  Climbs exceptionally well when it is low-level.  Get that sucker up to 5k, hopefully above 300 mph and you are good to go on that nearby low level furball.


The plane holds its own very well up to 10K and its a very decent ride up to 15K. Over there, forget it  

2.  Dives surprising well, and with its decently high low-level speed, I've managed to catch a few 109s on the deck while they are extending.

La5FN is very fast low on the deck, if you start with E advantage and you manage it with care you will be able to catch with a G10 for some time.

3.  Good roll and turn rate, stall horn doesn't seem to "irritable".  It appears that this plane can out-turn most E fighters, while being a decent low-level E fighter itself.

Its a great roller, and has very good initial turnrate. But when very slow it doenst turn too well. For instance a Co-E Yak9U will catch you in E-fighting and you cant beat it in pure turnfighting.

4.  Guns: 2 20mm x 200 rpg isn't horribly great, but it isn't too bad either.  Only two bullet streams plus one gun type makes it less complicated for my newbie mind to hit.  Ammo seems to last long enough for me to get 2-3 kills per sortie if I don't spray too much.  Usually can start flashing a jinking target at 400 or less.

Yep, I agree that the weapons are pretty good in the LA, if you forget about high deflection shooting.

5.  Fuel goes pretty quick.  But with the way I'm flying it (quick entry into low-level engagements), it doesn't seem to matter much.

yes, the fuel is the achilles heel of the La5, along with the lack of hi altitude performance.

Summary: La-5 appears to be a great low-level hybrid E/TnB fighter that is forgiving to fly, has medium guns and fast fuel consumption.

Great assessment  


The aircraft that give me the most trouble are the Tiffie and George.  Tiffie because it's the only thing I've seen outrun me (and therefore catch me) on the deck, I can think my way past that one.

Yak9U,P51D, 109G10 and Typhoon will outrun you on the deck. The tiffie is not that good against a La5, use your superior rollrate,acceleration and turning to get the advantage over it. Try to make him get slow, the torque will be problematic for him at low speeds and the plane itself doesnt accelerate well and is a mediocre low-speed turner.

 George, well, they just seem to get me everytime. Eventhough theoretically I should be able to out-climb and out-speed them on the deck, it never seems that it turns out that way, I'm assuming they just amass large amounts of E even while TnBing.

Run away from them, is almost the only thing the La5 does better, apart of rolling. Just be sure that, before you start running, he is slow  

Thanks for any thoughts/corrections!
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Most of your post is very very accurate.For more information on this plane I'd suggest you to ask Gie or Leonid (they are top aces in this kite).

good luck in the la5FN!!

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2001, 07:36:00 PM »
Beltfedd,

That's a pretty darn good assessment for only flying for 1 week. I did a comparison of top speed and climb rate based on data from AH.  I found the La-5N to be in the top third for speed and climb rate so it's a good overall plane, especially down on the deck.

It gives a good overall picture of at least speed and climb comparisons.  I also tried to rate them on a simple score based on speed times(X) climb rate to give a better overall assessment.  The La-5N was actually ranked 2nd overall (the ME109 came in first) in that simple assessment for 5k to sea level.  Not too shabby. I think it's one of the more underated airplanes in the main arena.

For the Typhoon you should be able to out turn it.  The N1K, you should be able to easily out run it (just don't get caught low and slow on the deck in a furball because I'm not sure what kind of acceleration the La-5N has - poor I'll guess).  Of course, saying is one thing and doing is altogether another!

I personally don't like just the 2 cannons and small loadout.  That makes for a poor punch. Also, I have trouble shooting with that plane for some reason.  I like deflection shots and because I think you sit low in the cockpit I have a harder time shooting under the nose.  Even though the F4U has a long nose you sit high.

I think your summary is right on.  It's a good ride and you won't fall into the N1K or CHog group (which some people call dweebs).  Personally, my favorite rides are the CHog and Spit IX though I like to fly ALL the planes for a little variety.  And you're right, I found it's good to fly just one airplane for a good long while (like a tour) just to get comfortable with what it can and can't do.  For me, last tour it was the Hog, this tour it's the Spit IX.

Good luck!
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2001, 08:07:00 PM »
I fly the P-38, and I admit, few things in AH intimidate me more than seeing that red "la5" icon pop up, if flown right they are a total pill to deal with.

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2001, 09:45:00 PM »
And the Yak is even deadlier and better than the La-5 IMO. Just have to learn to shoot when you smelling his gas fumes.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2001, 01:13:00 AM »
 
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I'm not sure what kind of acceleration the La-5N has - poor I'll guess).

ummm.... NO. La5 is a very good accelerator.

IMO, the la5 is a great plane to learn in, if you want to learn the art of E fighting. Its forgiving enough to let you get away with mistakes but no so good its undefeatable. Its easier to fly than 109 (probably the best E fighter) so should make a good intermediary plane. I used it to transition from spudfires to the P51.

Talk to Leonid, he the *man* in the La5  

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2001, 06:53:00 AM »

I agree with pretty much all of that assesment.

And yes, the La-5 is a really good accelerator, certainly better than the allied iron.

Spatula, I'd argue that the P-51 is the best E fighter in the game.  The 109-G10 is a formidable E fighter due to it's great engine I agree, but it's higher drag and poor high speed handling make it problematic to use that power effectively.  The Pony isn't as good a climber or accelerator, but it's much better at retaining E.  The Pony can also use it's E more effectively with it's good high speed handling, so I give the nod to the Pony. IMO    The G-10 has to be the best interceptor in the game though, that thing will climb up and catch anything!

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2001, 01:59:00 PM »
Hi Lephturn

I've been fooling with other fighters lately and the La5 is a lot of fun for those "hurry up, get in the air and defend" fights.  I've also been using the G10 a lot to get up high fast for bomber intercepting, but its poor handling when going fast, and its love of becoming a lawn dart over 400mph has left me frustrated many a time.  So, to get a 30mm cannon up high has its vices.

Someone mentioned which airplane is best to start with?  I started on Aces mostly interested in bombers, and became familiar with the B-17 and then later the Lancaster.  Once I got the hang of them, it was suggested to me by other Knights to try to Spit 9.  It seemed to be the most forgiving and gentle of the fleet.  Honorable speed, good gun/cannons and I was able to hang in there on the dogfights.  But that's me.  After that, I used the Nik for a long time and loved it, so long as you remember the Nik just doesnt go faster than 300mph and one ping and your logging chute time  

I'd really like to like the P-38.  Its my favorite airplane in here but I almost always loose every dogfight I am in when I fly it.  Maybe I can meet up with some of you 38 guys in the training room and learn some things.  I use it largely for air-to-ground...10 rockets and 2 1000's work nicely hunting down tanks and ostys.

Welcome aboard, Beltfedd.  Try all the planes out..each have their strengths and weaknesses.  It really depends on what situation you are going into.  If its de-acking a base, I tend to go with the F4C...if its deep air cap, the P-51...I'm sure others here can list what they reccomend for various roles, and the tricks to them.  I've been in here a year and I'm still learning!

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2001, 06:47:00 PM »
I stand corrected.  The La-5N apparently has good acceleration (but mine was only a guess as I rarely fly the airplane).

Hmmmm, with all these kudos, I might have to start flying it more.  I've jumped in the Yak more often lately after I've heard several people rave about the climbing and looping ability.  Seems like most of the good pilots use the vertical. I like that ride. The deflection shooting is better but again your plagued by the lack of ammo and only 1 cannon.  But, it has a good blend of high speed and good turning to be a very good overall fighter.

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2001, 08:25:00 PM »
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Seems like most of the good pilots use the vertical.

Heh, that is very true, and not just for one particular plane.

That is why the planes with the best sustained horizontal turn rate do not win dogfights versus a good pilot.  It's how I "out turn" much better turning planes in my P-47.  With a bit of E advantage and use of the vertical, you can "out turn" just about anything.  

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2001, 06:40:00 AM »
If you like the La5 for the reasons you mentioned, I would suggest you fly the Yak-9U instead.

The La5FN is a midwar aircraft that is excellent against any aircraft of its time period, especially in those area's you mentioned. But againts the late war planes like the N1K2 and some others you mentioned, the La5FN is somewhat underpowered.

The Yak-9U flies very similarly in feel and tactics to the La5FN, but its faster at all altitudes, has much better visibility, and accelerates just a little faster. Plus its easier to shoot "under the nose" in the Yak since it has an inline engine, versus the big radial+oil cooler in the La5FN.

If you can fly one, you can fly the other, both excellent aircraft. But the Yak-9U gives you more options, and will allow you to run away from more aircraft.

Now when we get the La7 in the next release (an upgraded La5FN), it becomes a toss up between it and the Yak-9U depending on some very small differences and preferences.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2001, 11:14:00 AM »
Thanks all for the great responses!  I like the community here   .  I will have to corner Leonid sometime and interrogate him on his knowledge of the La-5.  I found his guide on the AH main site to the La-5 to be very useful.

I think I will try to mix it up a bit and try the Yak-9 somewhat as well.  I like the fact that it's also Russian.  

I do see what you all are saying about deflection shots, I noticed that while switching planes in TA that in some planes it seemed to be much easier than in others.  I was wondering about head positions, cowlings, and bullet drop, but wasn't sure if AH would actually model things things.  (It did feel like it was and now I know for sure).  

Once again, thanks for all the info!  


See you in the air,

Belt


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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2001, 11:03:00 AM »
Thanx Vermillion, i first picked the LA5 when i looked at my deaths list, the LA5 had killed me most so i flew it and i liked but the yak is also good, im gonna give the yak a go