Global Warming or Global Manipulation?

[-tronski-]

Could we please start using the far less threatening term of "Climate Change" to discribe Global Warning. It helps to continue the ability to ignore or gloss over the subject, and allow the destruction of ecosystems and unrestrained pollution by self centered governments/countries with complete disregard for any consequences.

 Tronsky

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by cpxxx
When you devote your whole career to something and then you come across something which casts doubts on your work or contradicts it.

This is a not an argument its an ad hominum attack against climatologists.  And if it's true for them why isn't true for all scientists?  If so why does the scientific method work at all?  If thier data is so bad, prove it.

Man made global warming is the predominent theory to explain it the effect we are seeing.  Take a planet, add a ****load of greenhouse gases to it.  Do you think it will get warmer, colder or stay the same?  Why?



"And since we've gotten rid of priests, why not listen to the scientists?"

Indeed, because the scientific method doesn't work, hence we are still using middle-ages technology...oh wait, no we're not.  

[ATA]

We gonna kill each other way before global warming,so it's not an issue right now.

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by -tronski-
Could we please start using the far less threatening term of "Climate Change" to discribe Global Warning. It helps to continue the ability to ignore or gloss over the subject, and allow the destruction of ecosystems and unrestrained pollution by self centered governments/countries with complete disregard for any consequences.

 Tronsky

Straight out of the good environmentalists guide to emotive slogans and soundbytes.

Thrawn, Scientists remain human. I know I'm marrying one.   .  The point is I can't prove it anymore than I can prove or disprove the existence of God. All too often I read opinion presented as scientific fact.  Science as a rule is defined as proveable and repeatable.  As far as I can see most global warming scenarios are just that scenarios extrapolated from data gathered by Scientists.  They are possible futures based on the data they choose to use. It is my believe than many of them go into research with the belief that human caused global warming is a fact and look for data to fit the theory. Some scientists dissent from this and are portrayed as lackeys of the oil industry or worse.

There is too much opinion dressed up a facts that I have read for me to buy into it.

But then my opinion is as worthless as the next man's.

[Staga]

Originally posted by Bodhi
when some one provides actual FACTS that the world is indeed warming, and not a warming cycle that will be followed by a cooling cycle, I will then support the global warming idgits.

Otherwise, stfu until you have proof.

That's quite idiotic approach to this issue.
Think it like this way: Your wife says she may have HIV but she's not sure about it.

Will You screw her without a rubber before you're sure if she's HIV positive or do you think "better safe than sorry" and use a rubber or better yet; forget sex with her before the blood analysis?

I'm "Better safe than sorry" people; how about You guys?

[-dead-]

Originally posted by bustr
China is exempt from any global accords on pollution. Mostly because China refuses to be constrained or acknowledge sensorship from anyone. At Chinas current rate of industrial and economic growth, China will soon take the lead as the worlds polluter. After all, China likes the increased prosperity that goes hand in hand with it's rapidly growing industrial manufactoring sector.

China is becoming the new USA. So Zulu, in this respect China is worse than the U.S. unless you just have a jones on for Bush and leverage any chance you get to denigrate him.

Not strictly true – China has signed and ratified Kyoto, and is set to become an Annex I country in Kyoto's second round in 2012. At which point it will required to stick to an emissions target.

It is currently set to exceed the US emissions by 2020. And given that it has over four times the population of the US, even it goes the cleaner European or Japanese route and produces about half the per capita CO2 of the US, it would still be set to exceed the US.

And it's not all bad news:
The US Natural Resources Defense Council, stated in June 2001: "By switching from coal to cleaner energy sources, initiating energy efficiency programs, and restructuring its economy, China has reduced its carbon dioxide emissions 17 percent since 1997".

The reason China is so pro Kyoto is not because it doesn't have to do anything: it's because it gets cleaner technologies on the cheap through the CDM.

[Zulu7]

Yep Bush Sucks! Sorry but I think he's dragging your nation into an isolated position that is ultimately going to be very dangerous. His administration is making more enemies than freinds. That aint good in my humble opinion.

Now whether you believe Global warming / Climate change is man made or not, I don't think pumping tons of CO2 or greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere is going to help things much. I havent seen real snow in this part of the UK for nearly ten years. We used to get several weeks of it. So forget science I'm just looking at the evidence before my eyes. Something is happening and I think its completely daft not to at least try to limit polutants. The only reason not too is to line the pockets of the oil companies. Bush is an "oil man" hes lining his pocket and is totaly self interested and motivated. "stuff the planet I'm allright"

Sorry But I humbly suggest that the man is an A**hole and an A**hole who is dragging your nation into isolation and danger and the rest of the world into a global catastrophie of one kind or another. Be it perpetual war or catastrophic climate change!

[Casca]

Originally posted by Zulu7
Now I assume stfu means what I think it means. In which case how about refraining from that kind of language. It aint big and it aint clever. Oh yeah bit like the worlds largest poluter.

]Originally posted by Zulu7
Sorry But I humbly suggest that the man is an A**hole and an A**hole who is dragging your nation into isolation and danger and the rest of the world into a global catastrophie of one kind or another. Be it perpetual war or catastrophic climate change!

Res Ipsa Loquitur.

[lazs2]

sheesh... Allmost all science is voodo theory and sensationalism.   You don't get grants to solve problems that don't "seem" important...

ice age... global warming... not only are they cyclical but the alamists are cyclical... one decade it is fashionable to get what they want with the ice age boogeyman... the next it is global warming.   All to get more power and prestige and seem important and get their 15 minutes of fame and a big fat grant.

lazs