Author Topic: Who decides? THEY do! (Read 3913 times)

Excel1 · « **Reply #195 on:** February 19, 2005, 06:09:53 AM »

Maverick

Vulcan did provide a link to that NZ infomation he posted.

here it is:

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/

I can't add anything on the situation in Australia because I havn't been following the gun scene there. Canada has been of more interest to me because it was to be used as a template for universal registration here in NZ.

Excel

Lazerus · « **Reply #196 on:** February 19, 2005, 07:12:03 AM »

I think Vulcan is arguing this point from the perspective of one that lives outside of the US. Well,...I know he is. The only thing that I can say to you Vulcan is, I'm glad you are happy with where your country is. I don't want my country to be there. I don't agree with your logic, or lack of as the case may be. Crime rates are not the same as incarceration numbers. Do a little research in an objective state of mind if you can.

Other than that, I really like my NZ lambskin coat that I bought in December. Caught it on sale, $399 down to $99. Got a pair of gloves too, $39 down to $15. There was something in the news about PETA *****in about you guys playin with the sheeps sweethunks or something. Prices dropped like a rock:p

And screw PETA:D

lazs2 · « **Reply #197 on:** February 19, 2005, 10:36:39 AM »

excell... You most certainly can quantify the effect of safe storage laws. Those states and counties that adopted them should have a lower accident rate for guns and.... lower gun crime. Lott's latest book "The media bias against guns" charts these statistics and shows no effect or... a slight upward trend in gun crime and accidents with safe storage laws. "common sense" doesn't work here because it is flawed... It doesn't factor in things like guns made usless increase crime and.... gun accidents are very rare for children in any case. Gun accidents where kids get ahold of an improperly stored gun and kill themselsves or another are allmost unheard of. well... that is wrong... when it happens the whole friggin world hears about it like it was a common occurance.

as for restrictions... You can buy any type of firearm and keep it in Australian or NZ? So long as I can buy, own and shoot any type of firearm I'm ok with your laws... My Kimber .45 is on the counter loaded right now... that is ok tho too right? On my nightstand at night. OK? All my guns are loaded all the time. unless I unload em.

A .50 is not an assault rifle. Supposedly and AK 47 or AR semi autop or mini 14 is. Can you buy and shoot and have in your possesion those guns?

lazs

Excel1 · « **Reply #198 on:** February 20, 2005, 07:41:49 AM »

Lazerus

Your making too much of those crime stats Vulcan posted. He must have been pissed-off to post them because it was his earlier comments he posted that struck a nerve with some... enough for them to start throwing their toys out of the cot.

I'm glad to hear you got your woolies on the cheap. But as a beef farmer I got too tell you I'm immune to sheep jokes...it was a joke right ?
If it wasn't then that means those PETA fellas are telling horrible stories about hard working NZ sheep farmers.
And despite what these PETA fellas might say about the NZ beef thats exported to the US to be ground up into hamburger patties, I can assure you have no worries. Enjoy your burgers at the fastfood outlet of your choice in the knowledge that the bestiality problem in the industry is being worked on.

Excel

Excel1 · « **Reply #199 on:** February 20, 2005, 07:46:45 AM »

Lazs

I didn't know that safe gun storage laws were mandatory in some parts of the US. I thought it was voluntary across the country. To be able to quantify it makes a differance and since you have the infomation I accept what you say. But I still maintain that the gun storage regs in NZ have had a positive effect here... but would only create problems in the US if they were used there. Storing your ammo seperate from the guns would not make sense in a country which gives it's citizens the right to carry a concealed gun. In effect, you would be only able to leave the gun loaded in your home while you a carrying it. It would be stupid.

I can't say what guns you could buy and posses in Australia because I don't live there. But from memory Bluedog made a post or two about the situation in Aussie and I think it was handguns, pump action shotguns and selfloading rifles that were heavily restricted. In NZ you probably could buy and posses most any type of gun you would want but it would depend on how detemined you are and how much red tape you a willing to wade through to get some of them. Full auto weapons are the hardest to posses, and even when they let you keep them they are only as collectors pieces- they won't let you fire them!
Handguns and military style self loaders are about mid table in terms of bs level to posses. Out of the two, handguns are the easiest to posses. And once you have got one you can buy as many as you like, which is at least something.
Militay style selfloaders would include the AR15, AK47, L1A1 etc... but only semi autos.
All the above catagories of guns have to be registered so big brother knows you have got them.
Lastly comes the guns that dont need to be registered and relativly easy to posses,which is the majority of the armoury - sporting rifles, bolt action ex-military, semi autos like the Mini 14 and HK Sl8, all types of shotguns and military style semis that have had the evil bits removed.. bayonet lug, flash hider etc..

Your loaded Kimber .45 on the counter would be fine by me but if a cop walked in an seen it then you might have a problem. It would depend on the cop, but you would be lucky if you didn't lose it. The same applies to the nightstand, but unless you were a cop magnet or advertised the fact that you keeped a loaded gun/s in your home you probably wouldn't have any problems.

I kind of new the .50 cal is not an assault rifle.. but has anyone told Arnie.

Excel

lazs2 · « **Reply #200 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:00:02 AM »

excel... we all break laws.. there are too damn many laws but.. I will allways fight laws that make me a criminal. I do not want to be at the mercy of the largessse of a cop who has the option of taking away my gun.. we have enough of that here allready. I think that our laws are pretty restrictive... I think yours and other countries are insane and human rights violations.

If you say "you can own any gun you like but each one has a million dollar regestration fee" then you have effectively banned guns... if you say "you can have guns in your home but they have to be locked up with the ammo in a seperate locker" you have removed the right to self defense with firearms.

Here, in some areas... we have safe storage laws in that.... you must have a lock or safe for your guns. It must be in operation when children are present.. Where I live... you can't buy a gun without buying a lock unless you can prove you own an approved safe. You can't take the gun home from the store without the (usually free) lock. There is really no sense in any of this except to make more red tape and discourage more first time gun owners or cut down on sales.

lazs

Vulcan · « **Reply #201 on:** February 20, 2005, 01:45:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Lazerus
I think Vulcan is arguing this point from the perspective of one that lives outside of the US. Well,...I know he is.

Sorry guys, more important stuff happened this weekend. But Lazerus, this thread is about something outside of the US. I would say you guys are arguing from a perspective of ones that live inside of the US