One more time. Please HT

[Flit]

So are we gonna get mannable puffy ack at the airfields ?
 I would also like the shore batteries to be able to cover more of the shoreline/ path between the gv spawnpoint and the field/ city.
 I Don't think the SB's should cover the spawnpoint itself.

[Urchin]

I think there should be far more mannable ack in the game, and anti-tank guns to.

Hell, make all the AA guns 88mm duel purpose guns (manned, of course), that way nobody would ever want to get in a tank or a plane, and everyone could sit around in their own personal 88 and shoot at trees while discussing how bad their hemmorroids itch.  




Bottom line, it is a game.  The manned ack was put in so people who can't/won't learn how to be competitive in anything else can still have "fun".  I'd venture a guess and say that when a fleet approaches an enemy base that actually has planes in the air... there are more people manning the 5 inch guns then there are flying.  I know that has been true in some specific cases, but I'd wager it is true on a more general level as well.  *****ing about how some no-skill loser just holds the trigger down for X seconds until he gets a kill isn't going to change anything... that loser and all his buddies pay $15 a month just like you, except there are more of them.

[rshubert]

Boy, your hemorrhoids must really burn and itch, with that wall-o'-disrespect.  Nice attempted hijack, turning a discussion of the power of anti-aircraft artillery into a "nobody ever learns to fly and I have no competition in the air" whine.

BTW, make 'em 90 mm guns, that way we can use prox fuses.  If you had bothered to follow the links, you would find out that the Germans didn't use prox shells.

[Urchin]

Honestly don't much care.  I'd imagine there wasn't actually any 37mm that could punch through a Tigers front or side with normal ammunition, but HT modelled that gun anyway.

BTW.. I didn't hijack ****, champ.  The thread started off as a "I have no competition in the air" "whine".

[Flit]

Nope, it would simply force the horde to actually think about tactics as oppose to simply overwhelming the base with numbers.
 Theres no reason a good jabo run should'nt be able to take out the 88's at a base in 1 pass.
 Sb's need a little more work, but ya can still kill them.
And killing a bunch from manned ack is funner (for me ) then uppin a clear base, flying for 10 to 15 minutes, and then having to deal with a 5 or 6 on one.
 Never mind the 4 or 5 on the deck buff flights that come in at once.
 Now THAT is something I would like to be able to take care of.
 Yep, I think manned 88's would help stop the buff weenies.
(O and btw, I do have some acm skills, just not enough for a 5 on 1, which is all I seem to see)

[TDeacon]

Allowing manned 88s would introduce another major random (i.e. irritating) element into the game.  Their effectiveness would vary widely, depending on whether they are manned, and whether the player manning them has learned how to play the system.  On the receiving end, nothing you can do about this randomness, except stay out of ack range entirely.  Considering how close airfields are to each other, and how many fights are limited to within ack range, this would greatly reduce scope of play for non-Strat players.  I become depressed just imagining this change...

Remember, not everyone enjoys the Strat game, some just want to dogfight.

[sepp99]

understand yur point dedalos
but
there sno euphoria equal to flying a Kate, getting in close enough to torp cv,  escaping flak & fighters (well maybe not the fighters), and climb to watch path /impact...  5"c is very deadly indeed

[tactic]

Cool,  I feel pretty good.  Dont tell anyone  this, because i dont want it changed.  I've shot down several cons when they are way far out from icon range.  No red distance gauge.  just good ol' estimating of the  distance and  pop!  there goes another Red guy.   And  Its not just jumping into a 5" gun and start dropping people that are just a little black dot.  Ya have to squint your eyes and put that red + sight in just the right place, squeeze the trigger really slow, hold breath , etc.  lmao!  

Then maybe pop'm!  if your not getting any pops, then you hope that a furball starts near you and fire into the crowd.  lol!   I seldom have that kinda luck.        

But I refuse to comment on anything contained in this thread.  lmao!!   so dont read the above comment!    leave me outa this!
 teehee!!

[MANDO]

I agree, we need more and bigger mannable guns, as long as all of them are perked, well over current cost of a Tiger tank.

Sitting behind your gun and starting to kill defenseless enemies should not be for free.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by rshubert
Nice attempted hijack, turning a discussion of the power of anti-aircraft artillery into a "nobody ever learns to fly and I have no competition in the air" whine.
 

The discusion was never about the 'power' of the 5" guns.  It was about the dweebery/skill of shooting planes down from sometimes beyond visual range, while they are turn fighting multiple cons.  It was about the skilless dweebs that will move the cv 4k from an airfield, and then they lob 5" sells on the runways.  Sounds to me some one else is the highjacker here.

As far as 'with that wall-o'-disrespect', well, everyone including GOD has shown disrespect to me and my bs whine in thread simply because they disagree with me.  Why should the people that do agree with me tread noskill dweebs with any respect?  Disrespect is tought and encuraged by the owner so why should we treat anyone deferently?

Other solution:  Make them Japanese CVs. But that could make some people work for a kill and we don;t want that to happen.

[Flit]

Originally posted by dedalos
The discusion was never about the 'power' of the 5" guns.  It was about the dweebery/skill of shooting planes down from sometimes beyond visual range, while they are turn fighting multiple cons.  It was about the skilless dweebs that will move the cv 4k from an airfield, and then they lob 5" sells on the runways.  Sounds to me some one else is the highjacker here.

As far as 'with that wall-o'-disrespect', well, everyone including GOD has shown disrespect to me and my bs whine in thread simply because they disagree with me.  Why should the people that do agree with me tread noskill dweebs with any respect?  Disrespect is tought and encuraged by the owner so why should we treat anyone deferently?

Other solution:  Make them Japanese CVs. But that could make some people work for a kill and we don;t want that to happen.

 It's also about the  "Skilless Dweebs" who fly NOE Buff formations, dropping thier eggs from the f3 view from 500 feet up,while thier "skilled escort" usually consisiting of 35 or 40 niki's, tempest's and D ponys pile on anyone within 30 miles of the base.
 Now I like a good fight as much as anyone, but it 's gotten to the point where I don't even log on during the weekends hardly.
 MORE MANNED ACK!!!!
 Give me puffy manned ack !
 Make All Ack mannable, including the ack in the towns.
Give me a weapon to fight off the hoards of NOE buffs, OR, remove thier ability to drop from A:F3 view,B:below a reasonable altitude.C: if they die from thier own eggs, give a penalty of some kind.
 But Please don't whine about being killed in a turn fight while within ack range of a cv.Thats your fault for being there.

[Urchin]

Originally posted by Flit

 But Please don't whine about being killed in a turn fight while within ack range of a cv.Thats your fault for being there.

Of course, who the **** would actually want to fight in this game?  That is just sooooo passe.  

Much better to hop in a manned ack and hold the trigger down.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Flit

 But Please don't whine about being killed in a turn fight while within ack range of a cv.Thats your fault for being there.

HA, Try OZKansas.  You are in CV range siting in the tower.  I do see your point however.  I never asked for removal of CV protection.  You kind of offered our own solution to the buffs.  

Bytheway, do you know what a 110 will do to those buffs?  Now try 5 or more 110s meeting those buffs head on.  But, that would require people to mess up their scores by jumping in a plane while a base is flashing.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Flit

 But Please don't whine about being killed in a turn fight while within ack range of a cv.Thats your fault for being there.

HA, Try OZKansas.  You are in CV range siting in the tower.  I do see your point however.  I never asked for removal of CV protection.  You kind of offered our own solution to the buffs.  

Bytheway, do you know what a 110 will do to those buffs?  Now try 5 or more 110s meeting those buffs head on.  But, that would require people to mess up their scores by jumping in a plane while a base is flashing.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Urchin
Of course, who the **** would actually want to fight in this game?  That is just sooooo passe.  

Much better to hop in a manned ack and hold the trigger down.

 Me! I would like too fight in this game.
 And your assuming I jump in cv ack and gun down dots.
 Nope, every cv ack kill I 've ever got has been within 4 k (Icon range) and diving on the cv.
Most of the manned ack kills (90%) I have got have been in manned airfield ack, which is a tad different then pullin the trigger on a dot.
 And when there's 30 people diving on the field, what am I suppose to do, feed the vultures ?
 I'll jump on the manned ack every time at a suppressed airfield. At least I can knock a couple down before they get me.