Author Topic: Il-2 (Read 792 times)

Sikboy · « **on:** February 22, 2005, 03:32:59 PM »

I've been doing my normal Ruskie thing this month, only instead of spending all of my time in Yaks, I've branched out to the IL-2.

I am here to tell you that the Russians have the best guns in the game. It's just no contest. The Vya 23 is to Ground Targets what the NS-37 is to Air Targets. Ok, so it wont one ping kill a Panzer, but wow...

This weekend I made a pass on a Panzer with just the 23mm on the IL2. I got several hits on the bastard, but he didn't pop. Along came a Stuka, who dropped a MOAB on the tank. The Tank dissapeared in a cloud of debris... and I got the Kill... Poor Stuka bastard had to RTB for another bomb with only an assist. I was free to hunt for more.

Any lightly armored Vehicle is just meat on the table for the IL2. Sure, the M-16 and the Ostie can fight back (and I've lost more than a few engines to them), but thanks to the Iron bathtub, I don't think I've ever sustained a pilot wound. These Vehicles generally will pop with a decent pass on them.

Tanks on the other hand, take a bit more work. For one thing, the IL-2 has 6 small bombs (or 2 bigger ones) that help with Tanks. There are also four AT rockets, but I have a hard time hitting anything with them, and their blast damage isn't that great. If you attack from the rear, you can pop the engine on Tanks, or You can still take out the turret. If you can land a critical hit during base defense, it's pretty much as good as a kill. Without an engine, or a main gun, the tank will probably end flight, giving you the kill (if you're on base defese).

I know that some player have had a lot of success coming in from a high angle with alt, and pulling up at the last minute, but I have a real hard time with that. At the speeds you deal with, I just don't have enough time on target to get good hits. I prefer to race in on the deck, blazing away from about 1k out. I use rudder inputs to correct my aim, and try to get a good spray as I cross the target. I have actually bounced my plane off of tank turrets I think (you can hear the PANG lol).

Anyhow, I was getting 2-3 kills per run during a major ground offensive today, and my K/D in the IL-2 is over 2/1 The funny thing though, is that I can't do a damn thing with those bombs and rockets. I got almost all of those kills with the Vya-23. I was surprised with this success considering that this is the first time I've really given it a try.

-Sik

Fruda · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2005, 05:45:47 PM »

I love the Il-2. Just a few days ago I was defending my airfield with it (along with some friendlies in their normal fighter aircraft), and all of a sudden two Spitfires and a 109 buzz me from behind.

I get in position with the rear gunner, and start blazing. I hit a Spitfire and got his radiator and oil, so he turned back. The other Spit came in, and I opened fire. I hit him about 16 times, and finally I got his gas tank, so he went to RTB. Then came the deadly 109G-2. He opened fire, and the sound of 30+ bullets piercing my Sturmovik's frame was a bit frightening. Still, I kept firing, and before long, I gave him a pilot wound. After he was going straight from the blackout, I shot his gastank and he exploded. About twenty seconds later I got a kill conformation on one of the Spitfires.

So, I went to land two kills in my Sturmovik. I was victorious... A Spitfire and a 109 were destroyed, thanks to my Sturmovik's rear gun. I sustained damage only to one of my front guns, and my rear gunner (a Tempest zoomed me as I was landing).

The Il-2m3 is surely one of the finest aircraft in Aces High. Never before have I flown such a reliable machine, one that is dependable enough to get me out of even the biggest problems.

Don't get me wrong, it is a truly excellent ground attack aircraft. But for me, it shined in air defense.

Pongo · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2005, 08:00:26 PM »

Its no testimony to the 23mm that you got the kill instead of the stuka that actually killed it. If somene had strafed it in a 110g then they would have gotten the kill instead of you.

Surely you have noticed people flying arround the battlefield pinging tanks in 110gs and then leaving them. They know that they will get the kill no matter who kills the tank or how.

But there is a good case to be made that the soviets had the best auto cannons of the war. and the 23mm is a great weapon.

OntosMk1 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2005, 10:35:21 PM »

Didnt the later model IL-2s sport an even larger gun? like a 37 or something like that?

Fruda · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2005, 03:04:49 AM »

I've heard about that. I guess a google search would bring something up about it.

Tony Williams · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2005, 03:20:57 AM »

See the article on 'Tankbusters' on my website. It provides info on all of the airborne anti-tank guns and the aircraft which carried them.

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Sikboy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2005, 08:49:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Pongo

Surely you have noticed people flying arround the battlefield pinging tanks in 110gs and then leaving them. They know that they will get the kill no matter who kills the tank or how.

Actually No, I didn't notice that. But as I said, this is the first time I've really been paying attention to Air v. Ground battles, and it was just me and the stuka flying. As a General rule I left the Tanks to him and I took care of the Osties, M-16s and M-3s.

It was a nice symbiotic relationship

-Sik

Sikboy · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2005, 08:54:59 AM »

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Originally posted by OntosMk1
Didnt the later model IL-2s sport an even larger gun? like a 37 or something like that?

The IL-2M3 had the NS-37 mounted on the wings (The same 37MM as the Yak-9T, but presumably firing AP ammo). I wonder what the ammo load was like on that? With the high ROF and ammo supply the VYa-23 might actually be more effective in game. Then again I'm Mr. Spray and pray when it comes to ground targets.

I think that someday, we'll see a patch with the IL2-M3 and Ju-87G at the same time. I'm looking forward to that day.

-Sik

Angus · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:23:44 AM »

Il-2 rocks for base defence, and I've killed many a fighter who underestimated it's quality for a good slippery turn as well as it's firepower.
Anyway, doubt it was THAT nimble in RL

Seagoon · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:51:02 AM »

Additionally, forget the 110G, the IL2 is the king of the HO because it survives the return fire to land.

- SEAGOON

Pongo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:44:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Seagoon
Additionally, forget the 110G, the IL2 is the king of the HO because it survives the return fire to land.

- SEAGOON

I was just responding to this.
"This weekend I made a pass on a Panzer with just the 23mm on the IL2. I got several hits on the bastard, but he didn't pop. Along came a Stuka, who dropped a MOAB on the tank. The Tank dissapeared in a cloud of debris... and I got the Kill... Poor Stuka bastard had to RTB for another bomb with only an assist. I was free to hunt for more.
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If an Il2 and a 110g are flying arround pinging tanks like was descirbed in the first post. The 110g will get the kill credits. That is my only point. A 110g can see a friendly tiger in ambush and drive up the advancing enemy column pinging every tank and leave.He will hurt none of them but get credit for every one that the tiger kills.

You really notice it when you take up a weapon that can kill the tiger like a Typhoon with 1k bombs or a stuka with its 4k bomb. If a 110g has been there he gets the credit for your strike even though he didnt do anything to the tiger.

Seagoon · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:59:47 AM »

Pongo,

The same thing happens to me in the YAK 9T with aircraft. A few planes ping up a B24 group with .50 cals, 7.62s and perhaps a light sprinkling of 20mms. No major damage, no leaks or smoke visible. I come along and blow the wings off with 37mm sniping - result - 3 "assists" for me.

Ah well, glad to be of help.

As far as GVs are concerned, perhaps it should be the case that only hits that cause system damage count towards the kill? But I could be wrong.

Kegger26 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2005, 12:31:40 PM »

If you like flying the IL2, the try out the A-20. When it comes to busting tanks I always take the A20. It doesnt have a good gun pkg, but eight 100lb bombs will put a hurting on any nearby tanks. After I drop seven of my eight bombs, leaving one on the left wing, I normally fly around looking for soft armor. Such as M3's, M8's and M16s to bust. Plus the .50s will screw up a FLAKs turret if you catch him sleeping.
I leave the last bomb on my wing, becuase with flaps and alot of rudder I can out turn most aircraft going slow. This give me a chance to hold out long enough for my wingys to take care of him. Once the coast is clear I make one last pass on anything I can find with that last 100lber. On a normal mission busting tanks I can land with four to five kills in the A20.

Sikboy · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:30:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Kegger26
If you like flying the IL2, the try out the A-20. When it comes to busting tanks I always take the A20. It doesnt have a good gun pkg, but eight 100lb bombs will put a hurting on any nearby tanks.

If I finally figure out how to hit with the bombs, I might take the A-20 out for a spin. But with 6 200 pounders and 4 AT rockets, I think I'll probably stick with the Il-2

-Sik

Kegger26 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:33:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
If I finally figure out how to hit with the bombs, I might take the A-20 out for a spin. But with 6 200 pounders and 4 AT rockets, I think I'll probably stick with the Il-2

-Sik

The thing about the A-20 is other pilots tend to let there guard down around it. This is there mistake becuase the A20 has teeth. I have shot down many a spit, la7, P51 and 109 pilots thinking I would be an easy kill.