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Offline -tronski-

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« on: February 23, 2005, 01:58:11 AM »
What are the current rules for Japanese servicemen in Iraq?

Aren't their engineers etc. armed, or not allowed to provide their own protection?

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2005, 02:45:23 AM »
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What are the current rules for Japanese servicemen in Iraq?

Aren't their engineers etc. armed, or not allowed to provide their own protection?

 Tronsky


They armed but are not allowed to initiate combat: i.e. they have to wait to be attacked before firing back.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2005, 03:29:36 AM »
So why do they need Aussies to protect 'em?
« Last Edit: February 23, 2005, 05:13:52 AM by Bluedog »
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2005, 06:51:33 AM »
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Politics.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2005, 07:18:55 AM »
What do Japanesse in Tokyo say upon seeing a UFO?





















"Rook, Rook!!!"


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Offline Rolex

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2005, 08:03:53 AM »
Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution states:

Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. 2) In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2005, 08:46:16 AM »
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Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution states:

... In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. ...
and the US will protect us, so help me God.;)
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2005, 08:51:32 AM »
"the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes"

they are not there to wage war and they are not there to use force to settle an international dispute (its already been settled by the coalition, this is post-dispute). Thus it is 'legal' for them to be there.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2005, 10:50:51 AM »
wonder how they feel about the suicide bombers.
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Offline mosgood

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2005, 11:32:35 AM »
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wonder how they feel about the suicide bombers.


Oh Im sure that they love them......  :rolleyes:
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Offline Otto

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2005, 03:09:49 PM »
Each member if the JDF is a licensed 'Trade Representive' of the Japanese Department of Commerce.   They have the authority to make binding agreements in any form of International Trade and are prepared to offer long and short term solutions to a wide range of problems facing the new Iraqi government.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2005, 03:52:40 PM »
The question remains.....if they are in fact armed, and they are no doubt fully versed in the use of the weaponry they employ, why then do they require foreign troops to protect them?
Why can't they do it themselves?.
Why not deploy some Japanese infantry to protect them?

Is it due to the 'can't initiate combat' clause regarding the Japanese military, whereas Aussie infantry can be employed on active patrolling duties, and may in fact fire the first angry shot in an engagement?

The story we here in Australia are hearing is that unless Aussie troops are sent to guard the Japanese contingent in Iraq helping with the rebuilding process, those Japanese engineers will be pulling out.

Little Johnny therefore has authorised the deployment for twelve months to Iraq of another contingent of Australian troops.......only about two or three months after his election promise to 'not increase Australia's commitment in the Middle East'.

Quite understandably, Aussie taxpayers and voters are a little peeved.
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Offline Rolex

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2005, 05:45:46 PM »
The reason is this:

Japan does not have a military. They are designated as Self Defense Forces and exist for the sole purpose of defending Japan, according to their constitution. They are prohibited by law from acting as a military force outside of Japan.

I don't know how much simpler I can explain it.

As far as Aussies being peeved, this is all about economics anyway and Japan is a major trading partner for Australia. Military forces have always been used for economic reasons and Iraq is no different.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2005, 05:50:12 PM by Rolex »
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2005, 07:14:46 PM »
Bluedog being a military type myself I would have to conclude that these are in fact engineers and the likes and not actual combat troops.

That being said "garrison" type troops do have the means and the knowledge to defend themselvs but they are usually far from being effective combat troops.  The aussies are probably MPs or actual infantry types wich are better equiped to mount a formidable deffense.  

This is pure speculation on my part but it is based on the fact that I myself am a "garrison" type and wouldnt want to depend on MY troops for a first line deffense.  Last ditch effort sure  ;)
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Offline Rolex

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2005, 09:10:29 PM »
Obviously this is just too hard to grasp. Let's try one sentence:

They are constitutionally prohibited from acting as a military force outside of Japan.
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