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Offline Siaf__csf

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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2005, 09:43:17 AM »
That reporter could have a tumor in his hand by now for all we know.

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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2005, 09:51:47 AM »
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I dont think these were spent rods.  These were rods distributed by the U.S. under a program by either Eisenhower or Truman.  The program said it would take about 3 of these tiny rods to create a bomb the size of Hiroshima/Nagasaki.  Each rod was about 24 inches long.




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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2005, 10:53:30 AM »
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Smuggling of military hardware from russia into china and north korea is a big problem. Most of it is not weaponry, su27 parts and such.


hehe im glad that you mind only smuggliing and not official contracts :)

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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2005, 11:47:50 AM »
You need a lot more than highly enriched uranium to make a bomb. See the thing with nukes is they are always tested, because it is so difficult to construct one that works. I am not worried about them building one I am more concerned about al-qaida's getting there hands on a live nuke. Yeah they could build a dirty bomb but even that you gotta smuggle it into the country put it somewhere it will do signifigant damage and again construct the bomb to where it will actually spread the radiation..

Especially now that we now are constructing  a good detector for such material...

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/nuclear_detection_030319.html

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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2005, 01:26:20 PM »
Hmm. Before criticizing Russian nucleat security - please find all the H-bombs that you lost. :rolleyes:

In May 2000, two students at a training center that prepares guards for nuclear weapons facilities were expelled because they had failed their drug tests.

That same month, the Russian Defense Ministry started using officers instead of enlisted men for guard duty while transporting nuclear warheads because of seven incidents in just one month when sentries had left their posts.


Strange matters. "training center that prepares guards for nuclear weapons facilities"? My colleague served in special internal troops corps, in fact - guarding "special cargos". He has no idea of what this "training center" is.

"Russian facilities housing nuclear materials typically receive low funding, lack trained security personnel, and do not have sufficient equipment for securely storing nuclear materials," the council said.

Great. Absolutely eye-opening. I want this "council" to try entering the Physical Problems Institute and it's secured part. I speak about it because I had a chance to work there (networking), it's an institute across the fence from ours. They'll be surprised. Even in our institute, that deals mostly with radiobiology (i mean with radioactive stuff) - the whole building occupied by research units using radioactive materials is guarded as a vital defence object. Funding is quite fine when it somes to security issues.

Most of the "evidence" of "stealing" radioactive material I have heard (and believe me, I heard enough because I work in this organisations of Academy of Science) is anecdotal. Mostly - things that are told at the table after halflitre per nose.

As for "weapon grade materials" - it's a pure nonsence. JFYI, US government "bought" Russian stock of weapon-grade plutonium, many tons, for some strangely small amount of money, IIRC - $800M. This story is covered by darkness, many people involved in it died of some interesting reasons or were simply assassinated... Maybe it's where all this crap comes from... Our beloved party and government made so many interesting things that it deserves to be hanged on display on lamp-posts all over Gorky street (Tverskaya now). I'll not be surprised if one day we'll see enemy troops "securing" our nuclear arsenal.

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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2005, 01:37:31 PM »
Yeah I guess they want to go to the year 2015 where every has a hoverboards, hovercrafts,and instantpizza  and I'll be 33 years old by then...scary thoguht indeed.

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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2005, 01:48:09 PM »
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Yeah I guess they want to go to the year 2015 where every has a hoverboards, hovercrafts,and instantpizza  and I'll be 33 years old by then...scary thoguht indeed.


Scary indeed. I am 32 already, and believe me - it's really scary.:rolleyes:  ;)

Instantpizza will probably taste like ****. And I think of what they'll do to a nuclear reactor that I can watch from my window at work after they'll close our institute and sell the land for expencive "elite" apartment houses :mad: There is a small chance that stupid nouveau riche will be too scared of having a reactor near their homes.

Putin has a task to kill fundamental science in Russia. There is a serious rumour that our institute, Chemical Physics, the one that made a Bomb in 1949, will be closed and the land (in one of the most beautifull places in Moscow, on top of a high bamk of Moskva river, in a 200 years old park) will be sold for something like billion dollars. They say that they'll let us celebrate 110 years to it's founder, Nikolay Semyonov, a Nobel Prize winner, in 2006, and then we are extinct.

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« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2005, 03:36:12 PM »
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"We assess that undetected smuggling has occurred, although we do not know the extent or magnitude of such thefts," the report said. "Nevertheless, we are concerned about the total amount of material that could have been diverted over the last 10 years"

translation:: " we are doing our job and congress should increase our funding"


The article lists three cases of 'stolen weapon-grade uranium' (1.5 kilogram in 1992, three kilograms in 1994, and "enough for a nuclear bomb" amount in 1998),but it's 2005 outside and there's no follow-up info on these three cases for long time already. Why so ?
At the same time we have to endure the mumble of "we ass-ess", "undetected", and the pearl of them all - "we do not know".

I can predict that the WMD scenario is very much likely in these cases too.

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« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2005, 03:40:24 PM »
Article is 3 years old. About the same time US Intelligence services also though SH had nukes for all that's worth...

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« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2005, 04:26:49 PM »
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http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/02/21/senatornuclear.shtml


Yeah, Senator John Rockfeller said that.
Did you happen to notice the guy's last name ?  :D