German planes

[Raptor]

I was looking at German planes and these caught my interest. How do you think they would perform in AH?

Dornier Do-335A-1 Pfeil "Arrow"
Number Produced: unknown


Heinkel He-162A-2 "Salamander"
Number Produced: 125


Heinkel He-219A-7 "Uhu"
Number Produced: 288


Henschel Hs-129B-2
Number Produced: 843


Dornier Do-17Z-2
Number Produced: 500


Heinkel He-111P-4
Number Produced: 400+


Focke-Wulf Fw-200C-3 "Condor"
Number Produced: 276


Junkers Ju-87G-1 "Stuka"
Number Produced: 500+

[Charge]

Cannon fodder for the latter part of your list, and we have potential jet and rocket fighters already. Of course they would have use in scenarios.

I'd like to see ME410, Beufighter or even Whirlwind instead. Well, on the other hand that Stuka would be nice...

-C+

[SunTracker]

P-51H 555 produced


F8F 654 produced


P-80 Shooting Star, 5691 produced



B-29 2400 produced

[storch]

well below the way they performed in reality, just as the other axis planes do now in AH.  

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by storch
well below the way they performed in reality, just as the other axis planes do now in AH.  

And the F4U climbs too slow (just ask F4UDOA), and the Hellcat is much too slow (Just ask Widewing), and the P-38 is porked by the auto-retracting flaps (bunches like this one).

I can't believe how slow the T-34's ROF is.

Too bad HTC has it in for Allied planes and tanks.

-Sik

[storch]

Originally posted by Sikboy
And the F4U climbs too slow (just ask F4UDOA), and the Hellcat is much too slow (Just ask Widewing), and the P-38 is porked by the auto-retracting flaps (bunches like this one).

I can't believe how slow the T-34's ROF is.

Too bad HTC has it in for Allied planes and tanks.

-Sik

[HoHun]

Hi Raptor,

>How do you think they would perform in AH?

>Dornier Do-335A-1 Pfeil "Arrow"

Hm, I had a look at the Do 335A-0 with DB603A engines. My impression:

Speed noticably superior to P-51D below 7 km, inferior above.

Climb rate similar to Fw 190A-8 or P-51D, but climbs at shallower angle.

Turn rate on par with Fw 190A-8, slightly smaller radius.

Good firepower: 1 x MK103, 2 x MG151/20 centrally mounted.

Visibility to the rear a bit troublesome.

Good control at all speeds. I just found out that it does not have hydraulically powered controls, but a hydraulically powered control gain selection - weird.

The A-1 was the same aircraft, but with DB603E engines. Speed was great at low and medium altitudes (I'd reckon 650 km/h @ 0 km, 750 km/h @ 6.7 km), but above 10 km the lighter Mustang still was superior.

Turn and climb rates of course would benefit from the more powerful engines.

The actual fighter versions would have been the Do 335B aircraft, adding some weight and drag over the A variants, for example for a GM-1 installation and wing cannon.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[TrueKill]

Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Raptor,
Speed noticably superior to P-51D below 7 km, inferior above.
Good firepower: 1 x MK103, 2 x MG151/20 centrally mounted.
Visibility to the rear a bit troublesome.

speed was alot faster
and it was 2x MG151/15 thats a 15mm not a 20mm
and who need rear view when u were in the fastest prop plane made during WWII

but the first test flight took place about a week before the war ended.

[Raptor]

I was looking at a list of WW2 planes (they are missing alot of japanese planes though) and only took the german planes from the list that I thought would add something to the game that current versions cant already do. Im not the biggest expert on german aircraft and not sure what is different about a 190a3 and a5 as far as performance goes.

there were quite a few other planes as well. (staying away from the american planes cause i know someone somewhere will say "there are enough US planes as it is")

Early war planes for Russia (1939-1942)
Polikarpov I-16 Type 24 "Rata"

Entered service in April 1939

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3

Entered service in March 1941

Yakovlev Yak-1

Entered service in February 1942

Lavochkin LaGG-3

Entered service in September 1939

Ilyushin Il-4

Entered service in 1939

Petlyakov Pe-2

Entered service October 1940

Petlyakov Pe-8

Entered service in May 1940

hope HTC gets around to doing more planes from other countries soon. As far as performance and preferance goes I like the US planes, but they are so different in compareson to other countries planes. I want something totally new just to mess around with.

[Jester]

The DO-335 ARROW would be fun to try. But it is the same as the F8F BEARCAT - didn't see service in WW2 - shouldn't be in the game. Sorry.

DO-17 & HE-111 would be nice for the CT and Scenario's but basically the JU-88 we have can do everything better. Would like to see a better bomber like DO-217 or HE-177.

The HS-129 & JU87G would be EXTREMELY useful to the Axis side. The G Model Stuka is basicly the same as the G model with the 37mm gun pods attached - should be an easy conversion.

HE-162 & P-80 saw limited service - who knows - maybe. The 162 got one kill during the war if I am not mistaken.

HE-219 is a cool plane but with no darkness, radar or bombers to chase - would be pretty much a sitting duck in daytime. Same for the FW-200.

Add all of Raptors list   and the OSCAR, TOJO, GRACE, BETTY, JUDY, NICK would make a better plane set to wish for IMO.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by TrueKill
speed was alot faster
and it was 2x MG151/15 thats a 15mm not a 20mm
and who need rear view when u were in the fastest prop plane made during WWII

but the first test flight took place about a week before the war ended.

WRONG

It was MG151/20s. The MG151s were out of production.

The Do 335V1 W.Nr. 230001, CP+UA, made its maiden flight on Oct 26 1943

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[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Jester
JUDY

just Sayin'

-Sik

[HoHun]

Hi Truekill,

>and it was 2x MG151/15 thats a 15mm not a 20mm

Hm, the Dornier Einbauzeichnung (installation drawing) actually makes no mention of the exact calibres. Karl-Heinz Regnat in his book on the type quotes the Baubeschreibung 3.5.1944 (type description) as allowing both, with 200 rounds regardless of the calibre.

This actually makes sense as the gun was the same and just the barrel was differnt. The 20 mm barrel actually was shorter, so anywhere the MG151/15 fit, the MG151/20 would fit, too.

>and who need rear view when u were in the fastest prop plane made during WWII

Hm, some people might be unsporting enough to attack me while I climb :-)

>but the first test flight took place about a week before the war ended.

Actually, when the war ended, series production was already underway.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[JB73]

DO335 from every book i have read it was the fastest prop plane made in WWII... and for quite a time after.


i always wanted the condor for the torpedo runs.. which i have yet to find a mention of it being from below 200 feet. mostly much higher or in a real fast dive. also they had a plan for it to bomb the panama canal, that's range baby.


the he111 is truly needed.


the g stuka will never be implemented, been talked about so much is it almost as tired as the "perk the la7" debate


the salamander from many accounts was actually faster than the 262, and more manueverable.

i mentioned a few of these in this thread back in 2003

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76714

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by JB73

the g stuka will never be implemented, been talked about so much is it almost as tired as the "perk the la7" debate

I dissagree. The same thing could have been said about the Ki-84 prior to this Fall. I think that someday we'll see the Ju-87G and the IL-2M3. I imagine it will be later on after some more Tanks are tossed in there.

-Sik