German planes

[Krusty]

Salamander's much smaller, however. Much more compact. Has half the guns and probably only 60 rounds per fun. The compact space and the small wing/fuselage makes me think it would have half the range of the 262 (more of an interceptor, than a long range fighter)

[paulieb]

Originally posted by Sikboy
I imagine it will be later on after some more Tanks are tossed in there.

-Sik

Like Kurt maybe?

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Krusty
Salamander's much smaller, however. Much more compact. Has half the guns and probably only 60 rounds per fun. The compact space and the small wing/fuselage makes me think it would have half the range of the 262 (more of an interceptor, than a long range fighter)

first aircraft to use an ejection seat, about 60 pilots used it when shot down

[Fruda]

Originally posted by Raptor01
I was looking at a list of WW2 planes (they are missing alot of japanese planes though) and only took the german planes from the list that I thought would add something to the game that current versions cant already do. Im not the biggest expert on german aircraft and not sure what is different about a 190a3 and a5 as far as performance goes.

there were quite a few other planes as well. (staying away from the american planes cause i know someone somewhere will say "there are enough US planes as it is")

Early war planes for Russia (1939-1942)
Polikarpov I-16 Type 24 "Rata"

Entered service in April 1939

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3

Entered service in March 1941

Yakovlev Yak-1

Entered service in February 1942

Lavochkin LaGG-3

Entered service in September 1939

Ilyushin Il-4

Entered service in 1939

Petlyakov Pe-2

Entered service October 1940

Petlyakov Pe-8

Entered service in May 1940

hope HTC gets around to doing more planes from other countries soon. As far as performance and preferance goes I like the US planes, but they are so different in compareson to other countries planes. I want something totally new just to mess around with.

Now that would be one hell of an update!

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Raptor01
first aircraft to use an ejection seat, about 60 pilots used it when shot down

Not the first. The Do 335 was given that honor because you can't bail out of a pusher/puller prop setup (meat grinder, anyone?)

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Krusty
Not the first. The Do 335 was given that honor because you can't bail out of a pusher/puller prop setup (meat grinder, anyone?)

Try the He 219 as being first.

The Do335 explosives that blew away the prop.

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Raptor01, careful with yor claims or you will have to join that club a few others here are in, a couple just recently.

[TrueKill]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
WRONG

It was MG151/20s. The MG151s were out of production.

The Do 335V1 W.Nr. 230001, CP+UA, made its maiden flight on Oct 26 1943

You should by this book.



Author: By J. Richard Smith, Eddie J. Creek & Thomas H. Hitchcock
ISBN#: 0-914144-52-9
Summary: 184 printed page hardcover
Price: US$ 49.95

Role : Fighter
In-Service Date : November 1944
Manufacturer : Dornier-Werke G.m.b.H.
Number Produced : Unknown
Crew : 1
Length : 13.85 meters
Height : 5.00 meters
Empty Weight : 7400 kilograms
Operational Weight : 9600 kilograms
Wing Span : 13.80 meters
Wing Aspect Ratio : Unknown
Wing Area : 38.50 square meters
Engine : 2x Damlier-Benz DB 603A-2 (1750 hp)
Max Speed : 770 kph @ 6400 meters
Cruising Speed : 685 kph @ 7100 meters
Climb : 552m per minute
Service Ceiling : 11400 meters
Range : 1380 kilometers
Fuel Capacity : Unknown liters
Machinegun Armament : None
Cannon Armament : 1x 30mm MK 103 (Propeller Hub - 70 rounds)
2x 15mm MG 151/15 (Nose - 200 rounds each)
Payload : 500kg (Internal)
Gunsight : Revi C/120
Avionics : Fug 25a IFF
Pilot Armor : Yes
Self-Sealing Fuel Tanks : Yes
Armored Windscreen : Yes

[storch]

while it's true that the russians were innovators in ejection seat technology it took the west to perfect them.  the russians couldn't quite get the sequence correct.  step 1 ignite ejection seat charges.  step 2. eject can..o..py..... oops. demetri,  igor doesn't look so good.  

[MiloMorai]

Sure, what ever you say. You were wrong on the date of the first flight and you are wrong on the MG151/15.

Answer me this: why would, at that stage of the war, would the Germans mount a weaker weapon that was out of production? Don't think too hard now.

No Do335 got over 750kph in testing. There is a graph on pg 171. > another error by your source

In service date? What unit?

It had 2 DB603 engines but the front was an A-2 and the rear one was a QA-2. > another error by your source .

There was also the DB601E-1 and 603QE-1 fitted. > another error by your source

What is a Revi C/120? > another error by your source?

I bet you believe the 109K-4 had cowl mounted Mg151 weapons as well.


You need to find better reference sources, TK.

[JB73]

aw heck it doesn't matter anyway...

we all agree the 335 is one of the coolest looking planes out there hehehehehehhe


or should i say evil looking muhahahaha

the salamander was smurfy, but like i said, if i read right fast as all git out. pilots were deathly afraid to fly it though, because in the test flights there was no ejection seat, hence no way to bail withough getting sucked into the turbine.

IIRC it wasn't until the 3rd or 4th prototype the ejector seat was installed.

funny thing is i have found very little in the books i have about the salamander.

anyone have any good online resources? (im too poor to go buy a book)

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
Answer me this: why would, at that stage of the war, would the Germans mount a weaker weapon that was out of production?

I dont know if MG151 was still in production, but on very good reason to mount it in the Do335 would be to closely match the balistics of the MK103, something the MG151/20 could not do.

[TrueKill]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
Sure, what ever you say. You were wrong on the date of the first flight and you are wrong on the MG151/15.

Answer me this: why would, at that stage of the war, would the Germans mount a weaker weapon that was out of production? Don't think too hard now.

No Do335 got over 750kph in testing. There is a graph on pg 171. > another error by your source

In service date? What unit?

It had 2 DB603 engines but the front was an A-2 and the rear one was a QA-2. > another error by your source .

There was also the DB601E-1 and 603QE-1 fitted. > another error by your source

What is a Revi C/120? > another error by your source?

I bet you believe the 109K-4 had cowl mounted Mg151 weapons as well.


You need to find better reference sources, TK.

the gun type and everything else is on the frinkin website thats under the plane so thats what i beleave and that flight thing i saw it on the history ch. and they also said that it was the fastest prop plane that was built in WW2 so if u wanna get b1tchy at anyone get B1tchy at them cuz im not the one wrong i guess they are if its not true. and the Revi C/120 looks like a miss type for the ReviC/12D

[Jester]

Originally posted by TrueKill
thats what i beleave and that flight thing i saw it on the history ch. /B]

TK, don't quote the History Channel "too" closely. They are notorious about getting the facts wrong on a lot of stuff if it makes for a good story.

The F8F Bearcat would most likely have been a better fighter.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by TrueKill
the gun type and everything else is on the frinkin website thats under the plane so thats what i beleave and that flight thing i saw it on the history ch. and they also said that it was the fastest prop plane that was built in WW2 so if u wanna get b1tchy at anyone get B1tchy at them cuz im not the one wrong i guess they are if its not true.

You believe what is said on the HC.

Every hear of the XP-47J?

Every hear of the P-51H? > 783kph@25,000ft

Ever hear of the Spiteful? Its top speed, 483 mph (777 km/h) at 21,000ft (6,400 m).

Since you like using web sites for a reference here is what another one says, "It's weapons bay was replaced by an additional fuel tank, and the two 15 mm MG151 cannon in the nose replaced by 20 mm MG151s."

Here is a webpage on the ONLY Do-335 left in the world. Note the weapons fitted. http://cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vernalek/Do335/welcome.html
 Also notice that it is an A-0.

The only one getting B1tchy is you TK. I bet if you lived at the North Pole, anyone could sell you a fridge.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by TrueKill

and who need rear view when u were in the fastest prop plane made during WWII

 

Just as long as it's not being chased by a P-51H, or the P-47M.

Republic's P-47M was in front-line service with the 56th FG before the war ended in Europe. NAA's P-51H was in front-line service when Japan surrendered.

P47M: 475 mph with underwing pylons, 480+ mph without.
P-51H: 487 mph.
XP-47J: 507 mph (development ceased to pursue XP-72)
XP-72: 499 mph (not even using WEP).

My regards,

Widewing