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Steve · « **Reply #75 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:05:39 PM »

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you can try to clean your conscience all that you want, but the fact remains that you are cheerleading bloodletting

Aww shaddup a**hole.

How many Iraqi's would be dead if Saddam was still in power? ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

JB88 · « **Reply #76 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:14:22 PM »

as you say...read the articles.

in one it says that there has been an increased percentage of civilian casualties there somewhere.

ah... here it is...

Based on the number of Iraqi fatalities recorded by the survey teams, the researchers calculated that the death rate had increased from 5 percent annually to 7.9 percent since the invasion. That works out to an excess of about 100,000 deaths since the war, the researchers reported in a paper released early by the Lancet, a British medical journal.

The researchers called their estimate conservative because they excluded deaths in Fallujah, a city west of Baghdad that has been the scene of particularly intense fighting and accounted for a disproportionately large number of the deaths in the survey.

"We are quite confident that there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 deaths, but it could be much higher," Roberts said.

Steve · « **Reply #77 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:20:46 PM »

Let's assume for this brief moment the argument is correct.

One day order will be restored, civilian casualties will diminsh to peaceful levels(comparably, those moron extremists will never go away completely).

what then? What will your excuse be then? Because if Saddam was not deposed the deaths would continue.

100,000 now to save millions later. What's your excuse for condoning the continuation of Saddam's regime?

AirWölf · « **Reply #78 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:26:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Let's assume for this brief moment the argument is correct.

One day order will be restored, civilian casualties will diminsh to peaceful levels(comparably, those moron extremists will never go away completely).

what then? What will your excuse be then? Because if Saddam was not deposed the deaths would continue.

100,000 now to save millions later. What's your excuse for condoning the continuation of Saddam's regime?

Steve If ya lived near me I'd pay for your next drink! ~~to you mate!:aok~~

Sandman · « **Reply #79 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:27:26 PM »

He means like Israel.

JB88 · « **Reply #80 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:31:12 PM »

whats your excuse to justify imperialism?

you know, the stuff that we use to hate the soviets for...(being the evil incarnate that they were.)

and then, what would you be saying about it if it was your mother lying in a pool of blood at your feet for a lie and an bunch of excuses aimed at justifying that imperialism.

i am sure that you would be so happy about it you could poop.

nice try to switch it steve, but facts are facts. lies are lies. excuses are excuses.

just own it brother.

but know what you own.

(oh, and get up off your butt and go fight over there too. im sure they need the help)

Steve · « **Reply #81 on:** February 28, 2005, 11:47:22 PM »

Aswer the question 88 or go away.

JB88 · « **Reply #82 on:** March 01, 2005, 12:01:34 AM »

alright steve.

i will, though you do not afford the same courtesy nor deresrve my respect as i am what you call an "ahole".

the question.

Let's assume for this brief moment the argument is correct.

I ALREADY HAVE ASSUMED THAT THANKS.

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One day order will be restored, civilian casualties will diminsh to peaceful levels(comparably, those moron extremists will never go away completely).

YOU MEAN WARMONGERS RIGHT?

ONE DAY ORDER WILL BE RESTORED? hmmm. did it work for the brits when they tried to restore order in the middle east...or the romans when they did?

lets say that it does though. so far there is nothing to make me believe that it will, but ok. UM NO. it is thier job as a sovereign nation to lift themselves up. not mine or yours. there are far worse examples of human rights abuses in the world that the united states turns a blind eye too that such an excuse would be better used for.

you are not ever going to convince me that we are there for humanitarian reasons. we are not. if order is restored it will be by virtue of a walmart on thier front lawn. i dont think that is much of an alternative either, but then, i view all humans as humans so i value them as my equals.
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what then? What will your excuse be then? Because if Saddam was not deposed the deaths would continue.

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The deaths have increased post saddam, not decreased... the region is ripe with the possibility of civil war and the insurgensy continues long after the glorious carrier landing.

there is no clear cut end in site. now we are saying the same thing about IRAN and SYRIA etc.

show me the peace first. you are assuming that there is an end to the war on terror...why dont you tell me where that line is? tell me what the goal is? please enlighten me so i can work toward that end without lying to myself like you do.

100,000 now to save millions later. What's your excuse for condoning the continuation of Saddam's regime?

i do not condone the continuation of saddams regime. never have. just think that there were better ways of dealing with it and i dont think wholesale slaughter is anyway to run a railroad. sorry bout your mom...its for frreeeeedom.

WE STILL HAVENT DEALT WITH THE ACTUAL TERRORISTS.

(you know, the ones from saudi arabia)

now steve, you might afford me the respect that you so readilly place for yourself, or do ME a favor and quit responding to my posts.
capice?

Steve · « **Reply #83 on:** March 01, 2005, 12:09:07 AM »

I'm going to have to stop responding. You're so out of touch with logic and reality that there is no point.

I could rebuke the BS you are spewing, but you're tinfoil hat is on so tight that there is obviously a reduced bloodflow to your brain, further diminishing an already negligible ability to reason.

You cannot be saved, 88. May God never allow you to spread your lies to anyone who will ever cast a vote here in the US.

JB88 · « **Reply #84 on:** March 01, 2005, 12:10:08 AM »

ya. that was pretty logical and all.

great job steve.

Yeager · « **Reply #85 on:** March 01, 2005, 12:38:26 AM »

Then why US gives political asylum and highly-payed government jobs to known Chechen terrorists?
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does anyone know what boroda talks about? or are these more typical soviet urban legends from the good old days?

Zulu7 · « **Reply #86 on:** March 01, 2005, 02:17:37 AM »

JB88

A voice of sanity in a puddle of Paranoia and unreason.

Eagler · « **Reply #87 on:** March 01, 2005, 06:34:08 AM »

funny how the kooks stick together on this board

too bad you can't filter who responses in your thread, some are a waste of space, breath and time

JB88 · « **Reply #88 on:** March 01, 2005, 07:20:27 AM »

hey eagler...you know that witches don't float right?

OneWordAnswer · « **Reply #89 on:** March 01, 2005, 07:53:35 AM »

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9,000 civilians killed in Iraq - World - Brief Article
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DUBAI -- According to Itar-Tass, from seven to nine thousand civilians were killed in Iraq since the beginning of the U.S. and British operation against the Hussein regime.

The "Iraq Body Count" group of experts from the United States and Britain, headed by a retired American officer, which is now working in Baghdad, claims that the biggest number of losses among the civilian population were caused by air raids on the country's largest cities. As many as 2,700 people were killed by cluster bombs, which were used in the course of at least two hundred operations. The coalition troops, the experts note, did not spare any civilian buildings. They bombed the historically important Abu Hanifa Mosque, a hospital for children in the town of Rutbah, and the Red Crescent Maternity Home in Baghdad. The number of killed civilians increased several-fold over after President Bush's May 1st announcement of the end of large-scale military operations.

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The AP's survey was not a comprehensive compilation of the nationwide death toll, but was a sampling intended to assess the levels of violence. Figures for violent deaths in the months before the war showed a far lower rate.

That doesn't mean Iraq is a more dangerous place than during Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime. At least 300,000 people were murdered by security forces and buried in mass graves during the dictator's 23-year rule, U.S. officials say, and human rights workers put the number closer to 500,000.

"We cannot compare the situation now with how it was before," Nouri Jaber al-Nouri, inspector general of the Interior Ministry, said recently. "Iraqis used to fear everything. ... But now, despite all that is happening, we feel safe."