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Offline g00b

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Ditching modeling
« on: March 02, 2005, 10:44:08 PM »
Dear HiTech,

I doubt many planes survived contact with the ground at 200+mph. I like ditching, just not the extreme "no wings, falls 100 feet, and hits the ground at 300mph only to slide safely to a stop" bs.

We now have people deliberately ditching at high speed instead of taking it like a man and letting me kill them.

I have multiple videos of crazy ditches if anyone cares to see them.

Thanks for your time,

g00b

Offline Kweassa

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2005, 11:16:00 PM »
I agree with this.

 In the first bunch of AH2 beta versions, the ditch model was incredibly harder than it is currently now. Granted, that it was almost impossible to ditch some planes(due to some bugs I guess..), but even with those planes that could ditch without blowing, one had to be really really careful on the ditch. Hitting unlevel terrain was extremely disastrous, and you had to nurse your plane down to level stall speed and set it down as gently as possible.

 There were some bugs, such as the planes sliding down the terrain endlessly and etc.. but the old ditch model was much more immersive than what we had now.

 But at some point, a certain patch came out which was to address the problems with some planes(I remember one of them to be the Fw190A-8) being almost impossible to ditch - and since then I could ditch ALL planes 200mph+, almost upto 300mph. The plane could tumble and roll, shedding every part that 'sticks out' during the process, and the pilot is still alive and the ditch is successful.

 In the AH2 beta days, receiving damage to one's plane was always very scary thing. Since ditching was so hard, one usually had to quickly choose to either bail or die. Some planes in AH2 can fly with only half a wing on one side, but even these planes had it very tough when it came to ditching, because the process needed to be very strict. The slightest loss of control during the ditch phase would lead to death.

 
 My guess was that the patch didn't really address the problems with ditching, but just made the planes universally tougher when it crashed on the ground. As long as the approach angle is good, the plane would survive in most cases.

 
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 I am curious.

 How easy/difficult is it to ditch a prop plane in real life? Perhaps this is also one of those things which the gamers think should be really hard, but not at all in real life.

 But then again, all of those unfortunate airshow accidents I've read about involve fatal ditch attempts, where the pilot decided to avoid bailing over a populated area and tried to set down the plane at a flat piece of land. Almost all of the accidents I've read about were fatal and their pilots died... and most of those planes weren't even 'seriously damaged' when compared to AH2 standards. They were usually engine failures, but all the flight surfaces were working fine... and still their pilots met death when he tried a ditch. In AH2 we can ditch a plane with only a half-wing at 200mph+ and still survive.

 So, what's ditching like in real life? Anybody got good info?

Offline Kev367th

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2005, 11:27:39 PM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I agree with this.

 In the first bunch of AH2 beta versions, the ditch model was incredibly harder than it is currently now. Granted, that it was almost impossible to ditch some planes(due to some bugs I guess..), but even with those planes that could ditch without blowing, one had to be really really careful on the ditch. Hitting unlevel terrain was extremely disastrous, and you had to nurse your plane down to level stall speed and set it down as gently as possible.

 There were some bugs, such as the planes sliding down the terrain endlessly and etc.. but the old ditch model was much more immersive than what we had now.

 But at some point, a certain patch came out which was to address the problems with some planes(I remember one of them to be the Fw190A-8) being almost impossible to ditch - and since then I could ditch ALL planes 200mph+, almost upto 300mph. The plane could tumble and roll, shedding every part that 'sticks out' during the process, and the pilot is still alive and the ditch is successful.

 In the AH2 beta days, receiving damage to one's plane was always very scary thing. Since ditching was so hard, one usually had to quickly choose to either bail or die. Some planes in AH2 can fly with only half a wing on one side, but even these planes had it very tough when it came to ditching, because the process needed to be very strict. The slightest loss of control during the ditch phase would lead to death.

 
 My guess was that the patch didn't really address the problems with ditching, but just made the planes universally tougher when it crashed on the ground. As long as the approach angle is good, the plane would survive in most cases.

 
 ....

 I am curious.

 How easy/difficult is it to ditch a prop plane in real life? Perhaps this is also one of those things which the gamers think should be really hard, but not at all in real life.

 But then again, all of those unfortunate airshow accidents I've read about involve fatal ditch attempts, where the pilot decided to avoid bailing over a populated area and tried to set down the plane at a flat piece of land. Almost all of the accidents I've read about were fatal and their pilots died... and most of those planes weren't even 'seriously damaged' when compared to AH2 standards. They were usually engine failures, but all the flight surfaces were working fine... and still their pilots met death when he tried a ditch. In AH2 we can ditch a plane with only a half-wing at 200mph+ and still survive.

 So, what's ditching like in real life? Anybody got good info?



Yup very rarely could I land a plane in AH1 with half a wing, not a problem in AH2.
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Offline thebest1

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2005, 03:53:57 PM »
seems the spitfire does it most, countless times i shoot one down only to see it ditch and have to waste all my E trying to turn around and kill it, the ditching is ok( i guess ), but u you hit the ground with 1 wing going really fast i dought that you will survive...

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2005, 04:19:32 PM »
I find it great fun though :D

Once I tried to cross a hangar at 275 mph but the wing hit the hangar. Just a 'bump' and no damage!

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2005, 04:56:25 PM »
I have ditched successfully at over 400 mph. :rolleyes:

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