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Offline mechanic

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Hunter S Tompson - Genius or mad drug addict?
« on: March 03, 2005, 04:41:20 AM »
I'm sure you all know of the recent suicide commited by famous author and reporter Hunter S Tompson.  He wrote many comic and deeply profounds novels most notably for me the classic 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas'

I think it is a real shame the world is now short or one genius.

but obviously he was manicly depressed and a frequant drug abuser.

Is genius rewarded in our society anymore? Academic genius goes a long way but it would seem to me that creative genius is almost frowned apon. It is the sad world we live in that dictates the majority of us will never have a profound thought past leaving the rubbish out on tuesday night instead of wednesday morning, and therefore these great thinking men and women will continue to be shuned and outed from widespread respect.

so where do you stand? was he a waste of space or one of the most free thinking individuals of our time?

 Hunter!
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2005, 07:10:16 AM »
Mad drug addict genius.


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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2005, 07:33:30 AM »
He was praised in his time of genius, but unfortunately his brain died out in the '70's. Why should we applaud his later efforts when they were half-hearted works of crap.

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2005, 07:44:19 AM »
he had a good idea... he rehashed it over and over and covered up his insecurity with drugs and a mean spirited attitude.

most of us will have a "profound thought" at least once in our lives... we just won't be in the right place at the right time for the world to know it.   Hunter was a so so journalist and writer with a mean streak... he was a decent satyrist that just happend to come upon the idea of using his so so talent as a satyrist and journalist with the biggest social event of the centurry... the drug culture.

right guy for the rigth place and time... As people realized the harm drugs did decades later... hunter faded into relative obscurity.

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2005, 09:20:16 AM »
I have many words to describe someone that would commit suicide in the presence of their son, daughter-in-law, and 6 year-old grandson, but none of them is "Genius".

I have a hard time shedding a tear for dead drug addicts.

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2005, 09:31:55 AM »
Chalk it up to drugs and mental instability.

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2005, 11:17:16 AM »
I think I like the artwork on his book covers more than the books.

You probably have to be crazy to live the lifestyle he did, and then write about it.  I give him credit for that.  Many talk about writing but never do it.  It's hard work I'm sure, as all artistic efforts usually are.

Hemingway was his hero, and Hemingway went out that way, some speculating he killed himself because he had run out of things to write about.  

One saying I've heard concerning the arts is, if you do something long enough it becomes legitimate, meaning you get recognition after doing something over many years.  The idea here is, being an artist (or writer) is so difficult to earn a living from, that anyone who sticks with it for so long must have something worth looking at.

So yes, genius and mental instability sometimes go hand in hand.  It's like prospecting for gold,  not for fun but to make money.  It's nuts!!!   Many famous writers have considered suicide.  Two I can think of offhand are Robert Frost and the German poet Goethe.  They didn't kill themselves, but as creative people they thought about it when they were young and dumb.  In Frost's case, he was gonna walk into a swamp if the love of his life didn't marry him.  Goethe may have been thinking about a woman when he considered suicide.  

The overwhelming nature of succeeding in the art world can be and is depressing for those starting out, as there is much rejection practically every move you make, and unless you're very smart, you will be ripped off if you do come up with something good.  It is very difficult work for an artist (writer) to make money at their craft.  Hunter did it, but I've decided money from art is dependant more on who you know than what you know.  I've seen too many good artists go unrecognized.  It requires a marketing effort more than anything else I'm convinced.  Perhaps more than that it requires humility to keep on going with the creative process.

Lazs said it best though concerning Hunter, who was still using drugs when he should have grown out of that destructive mindset. It is not conducive to a serious artist's well being.  This increased the suicide potential greatly imo.   It's a shame about Hunter.  He wrote some interesting stories and apparently walked the walk when it came to experience and doing.  Genius is the message he sent,  don't do as I have done.



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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2005, 11:45:22 AM »
"idiot"

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2005, 12:45:50 PM »
He was the Edgar Allan Poe of our time.
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2005, 01:27:05 PM »
Aren't Artlaw and Hunter related?

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2005, 02:40:06 PM »
"Edgar Alan Poe of our time" ?   Seriously... can you have really said that and meant it?

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2005, 03:45:09 PM »
Getting drugged and boozed up and then writing about sounds more like gimmick than genius to me.

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2005, 05:42:20 PM »
thompson once claimed that if he had actually consumed as many drugs as he had written about he would have been dead.  

gonzo journalism was a form of fiction based in truth.

his work was a great metaphor for the country at the time and will, in the long run, be right up there with all of the greats who chronicled  thier times.

yes, i think he was genius.

yes, i think he was an addict.

but not so much as he has been drawn out to be.

i wouldnt be so quick to judge the work based upon the man or vice versa as much of what artists and writers do is theater, set up to perpetuate the metaphor.    

Thompson spawned an entire generation of writers who wished to follow in his footsteps.  he broke barriers, asserted ingenuity and chronicaled his times im much the same way as a painter captures the light of the subject, injecting hues and shifting perspective to better frame the object of interest...that it might be understood.

that, at the very least, goes for something.

i was one of those people and based much of my earlier writings on his example.

inspiration is no easy godess and her demands are often beyond the capacity of our mortal shells to cope with.  in the other thread, someone mentioned that none of us could possibly understand the demands and the pressure that it brings.  i think that this is true.  

i also think that those who would wave thier hammer of judgement in his direction should consider the one truth that cannot be denied.

creators are rare.

to create takes years of learning and practice, screw ups and triumphs...it takes guts and direction.  creation takes rejection and criticism and turns them into victories.

destruction is base.  it is the easiest thing to do and the most common form of review.

hunter did both and did them well.

i was saddenned by his passing...but i still have his words.  no bullet can take that away.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2005, 06:27:22 PM »
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Originally posted by Stringer
Getting drugged and boozed up and then writing about sounds more like gimmick than genius to me.


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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2005, 07:01:23 PM »
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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