Author Topic: Kids will be Kids (Read 1774 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #75 on:** March 03, 2005, 11:24:31 AM »

Airhead,

The Dp is more expensive in only one area. That is the cost of number of appeals filed by or for the convict. Otherwise the cost for incarceration is the same. The same facilities are used. In the final examination, if you remove the court costs from the appeals then the cost of the DP is less as the convict is not warehoused for decades.

midnight Target · « **Reply #76 on:** March 03, 2005, 12:26:08 PM »

If you really want to learn about deterrence read this...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/studmuffinanTestimony.pdf

Airhead · « **Reply #77 on:** March 03, 2005, 01:05:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Airhead,

The Dp is more expensive in only one area. That is the cost of number of appeals filed by or for the convict. Otherwise the cost for incarceration is the same. The same facilities are used. In the final examination, if you remove the court costs from the appeals then the cost of the DP is less as the convict is not warehoused for decades.

Right, Mav- the Court, realizing the falibility of the system, mandates automatic appeals and reviews of death sentance cases.

Would you prefer to see these appeals denied to the convicted, in light of all the convictions overturned on DNA evidence?

At any rate using cost to determine justice, from either side of the issue, is morally wrong IMO. We owe the accused, and the convicted, the right to appeal in capital cases.

Maverick · « **Reply #78 on:** March 03, 2005, 03:46:23 PM »

Airhead,

Just responding to your post decrying the cost of a "draconian" punishment.

Nope I wouldn't deny the convict the right to appeal. I would, in my "perfect" system, reduce arguements to factual discussions. No emotional apeals, strictly factual testimony. This is for both sides of the court. Of course that will not happen. Emotional content is forever tied to the court process as it exists now.

lazs2 · « **Reply #79 on:** March 04, 2005, 10:53:10 AM »

MT... so, more than a dozen studies since 1995 say that the death penalty is indeed a deterent but some columbia university professor disagrees so.... that is your proof?

Lott has some good data on the death penalty and deterance.

Criminals sure seem to fight it and..... many roll over on their "buddies" when faced with it.. At the very least... it is a law enforcement tool eh?

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #80 on:** March 04, 2005, 02:58:07 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
MT... so, more than a dozen studies since 1995 say that the death penalty is indeed a deterent but some columbia university professor disagrees so.... that is your proof?

Lott has some good data on the death penalty and deterance.

Criminals sure seem to fight it and..... many roll over on their "buddies" when faced with it.. At the very least... it is a law enforcement tool eh?

lazs

Where are these dozen studies?

Sandman · « **Reply #81 on:** March 04, 2005, 03:09:25 PM »

Do the research!

midnight Target · « **Reply #82 on:** March 04, 2005, 04:10:47 PM »

Well I did darn it!

Lazs... so if more than a bazillion studies say it isn't a deterrent.. and only a dozen or so say it is... you must be wrong.

lazs2 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:08:29 AM »

MT... your own reference says that over a dozen studies show it is a deterant. That is the study you reference so.... the guy does a study and says that even tho a dozen other studies say it is.... he still says it isn't.

I believe it has a slight impact on even murders in the heat of passion. there are degrees of "heat of passion" some "passionate" people might cool slightly if they are faced with the death penalty.

lazs

lada · « **Reply #84 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:39:26 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
You first. The I will.

hey ... its also good to put question when you dont know what to say.

Anyway i trough that EVIL Iranian goverment is the only one who allow executions of youth under 18Y.

Thx for link .

lada · « **Reply #85 on:** March 07, 2005, 10:04:56 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
if your old enough to murder someone, your old enough to pay for it.

yeeep

and public execution could be use to learn people to think about their doing

Like an exhibition of cars after deadly accidents.

Trell · « **Reply #86 on:** March 07, 2005, 10:40:18 AM »

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Originally posted by lada
hey ... its also good to put question when you dont know what to say.

Anyway i trough that EVIL Iranian goverment is the only one who allow executions of youth under 18Y.

Thx for link .

Ya dont we know. We love to execute children here rather then helping them. And at the same Time People want to stop abortions that bring more of these troubled kids into the world.

KBall · « **Reply #87 on:** March 07, 2005, 11:57:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Trell
Ya dont we know. We love to execute children here rather then helping them. And at the same Time People want to stop abortions that bring more of these troubled kids into the world.

That is something I can not understand. It seems the majority of people I've met who are against the death penalty are for abortion.

Trell · « **Reply #88 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:12:07 PM »

yes, and the people that are for the death penilty for anyone from age 5 to 105. are the ones soo against aboration.

My only problem with the death penilty for anyone but children. is that it seems like more and more people are getting off becasue of dna evadance. makes you wonder how hard the prosicuters are just to convict anyone, They remond me of score potatos in games. does not matter as long as they win.