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« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2005, 10:16:41 AM »
Yep.

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« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2005, 08:00:01 PM »
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Giuliana Sgrena (the hostage) has refuted the claims that they were driving fast and that they were warned by the US forces. She says they were fired upon by a US tank without warning. Se also says the US forces had been informed of their impending arrival.

Somebody F'ed up (starting to become more of a bad habit than just accidents now).


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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2005, 08:56:20 PM »
But from the report, they only disagree on comications and the car speed.

So it seems it was at a checkpoint.

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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2005, 09:07:17 PM »
"The Army official said Italy was disputing two factual issues in the report: the speed of the car as it approached the checkpoint; and the nature of communications between the Italians and U.S. forces in Iraq before the incident."



You mean the Italians and GSholz have backed off on thier charges of deliberate murder at the hands of US Soldiers? What happened to thier claims there WAS no checkpoint? WTF??? Didn't they claim this road HAD no checkpoints? That it was a secure route directly to the Baghdad Airport?

BTW, a Santa Rosa, Calif., Marine was killed two weeks ago while manning a checkpoint along the same highway when he was shot from a  car attempting to run the checkpoint. He was 21 years old, married, baby on the way.

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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2005, 09:11:33 PM »
yeah, I believe it was at one of the "moving checkpoints" they use. The U.S. ambassador was passing that way so they might have been a little jumpy regardless you don't stop at a checkpoint in Baghdad, you are gonna have a bad day.

"Earlier Tuesday, a senior U.S. official said the checkpoint where Calipari was killed had been set up for the passage of the U.S. ambassador to Iraq on the road to the Baghdad airport"

"Ambassador John Negroponte had been expected to pass the Baghdad-area checkpoint a short time later, the official said."



http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/08/italy.sgrena/index.html

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« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2005, 09:12:52 PM »
Thats sucks about the Marine airhead, anyplace we can donate to the family?

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« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2005, 12:03:48 AM »
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You mean you're a lying stunninghunk? Yeah, I guess you are.


I think we see who the liar is here...it's you in your fervent insistance that American soldiers engaged in political assination against "unfriendly" journalists.

Turns out that you are full of...well.... feces.

As usual. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2005, 08:57:57 AM »
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There you go lying again. I have never suggested that the US soldiers tried to assassinate the journalist.  I haven't even blamed the US soldiers for the incident; I think my last post on page one made that abundantly clear.

You're a lying POS or a dumb ****. Take your pick.



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« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2005, 10:58:20 AM »
OneWordAnswer ,
As "A picture is worth a thousand words"
you posted at least 4000 words.
You're cheating.

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« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2005, 05:37:06 PM »
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Why is it only US troops that seem to be involved in incidents like these? Statistically shouldn't the British and even Poles have F'ed up a couple of times by now?



Next time edit your previous posts before you deny you laid blame at the hands of the USA for this. You now look senile or retarded, you choose. ;)

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« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2005, 05:40:29 PM »
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You now look senile or retarded, you choose


Umm maybe he's just an Amerihater ultra melon?
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« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2005, 05:47:54 PM »
Steve you're at again in here too.



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« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2005, 06:30:09 PM »
You backpedal well.

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« Reply #73 on: April 26, 2005, 06:39:37 PM »
You need a new identity- too bad Skydancer is already taken.

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« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2005, 07:57:42 PM »
WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US satellite reportedly recorded a checkpoint shooting in     Iraq last month, enabling investigators to reconstruct how fast a car carrying a top Italian intelligence official and a freed hostage was traveling when US troops opened fire.

The report, which aired Thursday on CBS News, said US investigators concluded from the recording that the car was traveling at a speed of more than 60 miles (96 km) per hour.

Giuliana Sgrena has said the car was traveling at a normal speed of about 30 miles an hour when the soldiers opened fired, wounding her and killing Nicola Calipari, the Italian agent who had just secured her release from a month's captivity.

US soldiers said at the time of the March 4 incident that the car approached at a high rate of speed and that they fired only after it failed to respond to hand signals, flashing bright lights and warning shots.

The conflicting accounts were among a number of differences that have prevented US and Italian authorities from reaching agreement on what happened.

CBS, citing     Pentagon officials, said the satellite recording enabled investigators to reconstruct the event without having to rely on the eyewitness accounts.

It said the soldiers manning the checkpoint first spotted the Italian car when it was 137 yards (meters) away. By the time they opened fire and brought the car to a halt, it was 46 yards (meters) away. CBS said that happened in less than three seconds, which meant the car had to be going over 60 miles an hour.

CBS said Italian investigators refused to accept that the Americans were justified in shooting so quickly, arguing among other things that the checkpoint was not properly marked.