The Armed Citizen - Feb 2005

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Martlet
Ban alcohol.  That causes more deaths a year than firearms.

I wonder how many deaths involved guns and alcohol?

[Holden McGroin]

I've decided to become a cereal killer, but I haven't yet built up the prerequisite psychotic hatred.

[KBall]

Some people get uncomfortable and fidgety when they read about lawful citizens defending themselves. I guess it goes against their socialist beliefs. On that basis alone, Dago, I enjoy your posts.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Elfie
Add in all the deaths from alcohol related vehicle accidents and alcohol comes up the winner.

The 26,000 does not include all the gun related suicides. It's an even contest again.

The only way to keep people from accidently shooting themselves is to leave people completly in the dark about fire arms and just ban them all. Yup that's it...

Yup - works for Bermuda, works for us.

Some people get uncomfortable and fidgety when they read about lawful citizens defending themselves. I guess it goes against their socialist beliefs.

It's got fork all to do with "socialism" - outside the US at least.

Yes Dago, keep posting these articles. It's always nice to see that there are some benefits to firearms ownership, and that the 26,000 people killed by guns each year in the US did not die in vain.

[Skydancer]

Bo**ox!

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Raider179
I wonder how many deaths involved guns and alcohol?

Prohibition!

[lazs2]

My guns are allmost allways loaded.. I assume everyones are.

I often clean 3 or 4 guns at a time.. Often have 3 or more apart at once.

The number of people who have accidents climbing rocks or handling guns or hiking is not of much concern to me except that it is a waste and I think that if people engage in those activities they should avail themselves of some safe training.

I have no urge to ban anyones hobbies or human rights because stupid or criminal people may abuse them.   If stupid people cause the deaths then making training available or just letting em die is the right solution.  If it is a criminal activity then the criminals need to be agressively sought and punished.

none of this should have anything to do with my owning guns or climbing rocks or boating or whatever... It is no ones bussiness if I own the eqauipment for my protection or hobbies.

my (and 80 million other gunowners in the U.S.) being able to own a firearm is good enough justification for for the 16k accidents or even the 9,000 homicides that would have happened by some other means.  None of these things is good enough reason for anyone to take away my right to defend myself.

The people most upset in this thread with our firearms are all UK citizens.   Fortunately... they have no say.  And... they shouldn't... they don't know anything about us or guns.

lazs

[Dago]

I never keep any of my firearms loaded at home.

When I have multiple firearms needing cleaning, (as I do now, a .45 and a .22), I clean each one individually, put it together and case it before I start the next one.  Just my practice to do it that way.

I always, and I mean always, verify  the weapon is unloaded before I start cleaning it.  This is slightly redundant, as I always verify it is unloaded before casing it to bring home after shooting, but I do it anyway as part of my practice.

My firearms were always put away so my children wouldnt be able to access them, and now that they are grown up, I dont have to worry about that.

dago

[lazs2]

Dago... so far as I am concerned your guns are loaded.   I allways check my guns before handing them to someone and allways insist that they do the same even tho they watched me check... I unload my guns before cleaning them because it is impossible to clean a loaded gun and foolish besides.  

I often have three guns apart for cleaning at the same time.  

My guns are loaded in the home.  Most are in a gun safe but at least one is not.  My children or childrens children are either too small to reach em (and the butcher block with all the knives in it), too weak or small handed to work the action and fire em or... they are taught safe gun handling or to not touch.   I can put my hands on and fire a loaded .45 right now but my three year old grand daughter can't.  When she get's older she will have the same options as me.

lazs

[Toad]

So Zulu is back as Skydancer? Same charming approach to the BBS though..........

[mosgood]

Originally posted by lazs2
Dago... so far as I am concerned your guns are loaded.   I allways check my guns before handing them to someone and allways insist that they do the same even tho they watched me check... I unload my guns before cleaning them because it is impossible to clean a loaded gun and foolish besides.  

I often have three guns apart for cleaning at the same time.  

My guns are loaded in the home.  Most are in a gun safe but at least one is not.  My children or childrens children are either too small to reach em (and the butcher block with all the knives in it), too weak or small handed to work the action and fire em or... they are taught safe gun handling or to not touch.   I can put my hands on and fire a loaded .45 right now but my three year old grand daughter can't.  When she get's older she will have the same options as me.

lazs

I hope you mean when she gets old  enough to know how to choose between the same options as you and not just when she is old enough to handle one.

That seems to be a pretty big risk laz.  I've come to learn that accidents also happen to people that believe they know what they are doing.  Might want to think about how you would feel if an accident did happen.... would you REALLY still be so sure about keeping loaded guns around children?

[Dago]

Lazs2, what you do with your guns is of course your decision to make.  For me personally, I just dont feel the need to keep a loaded weapon in my house.  My neighborhood is very safe, and violent crime, home invasion, etc is almost non-existant.  Things have not always been that way in my life, and there were years when I slept with my .45 loaded and in reach.  I do not need to do that now so I don't.

As far as my guns always "loaded" I practice safe gun handling of course, and always assume loaded until I check them.  I never point a gun, loaded or not at anyone, nor do I hand someone a firearm until after I verify unloaded.

As far as cleaning multiple weapons, I have no problem with that, it is just my personal habit to finish one before moving on to the next one.

dago

[Skydancer]

Toad????

I'm back as me mate. Check the boards from a while back. I am charming in a humorous fashion.

This example is not quite so charming, I quote

"As always you remain a salamander of epic proportions.

Just an example of a charming approach from this thread posted by Bodhi I think? (though in fairness he does seem to have been baited)

I try not to use such charming terminology.

Who is Zulu?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by mosgood
I hope you mean when she gets old  enough to know how to choose between the same options as you and not just when she is old enough to handle one.

That seems to be a pretty big risk laz.  I've come to learn that accidents also happen to people that believe they know what they are doing.  Might want to think about how you would feel if an accident did happen.... would you REALLY still be so sure about keeping loaded guns around children?

My parents did.  I was educated on gun handling.  They were an everyday part of our lives.

Guns become dangerous when parents keep them from their children and don't instruct them.  They become a novelty.  I was firing guns since I was 5, and was given my own gun on my 10th birthday, when you can legally hunt in Maine.  By then I'd taken several courses and probably knew more about guns than most adults.

[Slash27]

Yup - works for Bermuda, works for us.

So there's no gun crimes in the UK now?   bull****