Author Topic: Me 262 A-2 (Read 770 times)

EagleDNY · « **on:** March 09, 2005, 04:22:36 PM »

Hey HT,
How about the ME262 A-2? From what I am reading, they took an A-1, took off the 2 top 30mm cannon, and added fuselage racks for 2 250Kg bombs. Another interesting variation of the A-2 was the addition of 24 (12 on each wing) R4M rockets.
This variation was in wide use, and might make an interesting variation in AH gameplay. I can forsee some anxious moments taking your 262 into the manned ack on ground attack missions. It might also be fun to give the manned ack gunners a shot at costing someone a couple hundred perk points...

Just a thought...
EagleDNY

JB73 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2005, 04:32:12 PM »

those rockets were air to air, not air to ground.

they were for breaking up bomber formations, fired on a slavo spread into the formations.

i would still LOVE to see them, instead of the 2 not 24 we get on the A8/ F8

EagleDNY · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2005, 05:27:29 PM »

Yes, the R4Ms were for anti-bomber use. The book I am reading has the following description of their use by a 262 pilot:

"I came upon a lone B17 with 4 P51 escorts. After checking my IAS, I knew I wouldn't have anything to worry about (from the P51s I assume - DNY) and I approached to within 400m and fired my salvo (of R4Ms). The enemy bomber was hit and exploded, producing a large cloud of debris. Several pieces struck my plane as I dived away, but I was fortunate and sustained no damage..."

The R4Ms mod would be nice for those pesky bomber HQ raids

Also - although the picture I am looking at is of an 262 A2a with 2x 250Kg bombs loaded, the maximum bomb load was 1000Kgs (meaning you can give us 2 x 500Kgs HT

EagleDNY

EagleDNY · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2005, 05:49:54 PM »

Here's what the R4Ms look like mounted:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/r4m.html

simshell · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2005, 07:07:08 PM »

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Originally posted by EagleDNY
Yes, the R4Ms were for anti-bomber use. The book I am reading has the following description of their use by a 262 pilot:

"I came upon a lone B17 with 4 P51 escorts. After checking my IAS, I knew I wouldn't have anything to worry about (from the P51s I assume - DNY) and I approached to within 400m and fired my salvo (of R4Ms). The enemy bomber was hit and exploded, producing a large cloud of debris. Several pieces struck my plane as I dived away, but I was fortunate and sustained no damage..."

EagleDNY

thats awful end for the B17 must have been a straggler ?

frank3 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2005, 05:25:39 AM »

Yeah that's awfull

Even with 4 fighter escorts!
If it was for me, I'd let it alone...

JB73 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2005, 08:42:54 AM »

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Originally posted by simshell
thats awful end for the B17 must have been a straggler ?

probably not. my guess is if it was a stragler, the 262 would have used guns....

the rockets were to fire from long range into the tight bomber formations, to avoid comming under fire.

the 262's and 190's with them could keep their speed, make 1 glancing pass and fire a spread of rockets into 100 bombers.

if they were lucky maybe 4-5 bombers could be damaged critically (so they either had to drop out of formation, or RTB right away).

with the 24 rockets, i read of 6 bombers being hit in 1 pass with a salvo of 24 fired with a rudder skid while passing.

frank3 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2005, 08:46:42 AM »

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"I came upon a lone B17 with 4 P51 escorts..."

If it wasn't a straggler, why would it be alone with 4 P-51 escorts?

indy007 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2005, 08:54:41 AM »

I'd rather have one of the 4 A-1s they modified to use a 50mm cannon. Flew it in IL2. 1 shell per plane

MiloMorai · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:21:02 AM »

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Originally posted by indy007
I'd rather have one of the 4 A-1s they modified to use a 50mm cannon. Flew it in IL2. 1 shell per plane

To bad Il-2 doesn't model malfunctions, when air tested, the gun jammed.

The R4Ms were only used in the last few weeks of WW2. Up till that time the 262 had rather few bomber 'kills' compared to what they got with the R4Ms.

JB73 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:33:13 AM »

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Originally posted by frank3
If it wasn't a straggler, why would it be alone with 4 P-51 escorts?

missed that.

though generally... from what i have read they didn't wast alot of time with a lone straggler. breaking up the formation with the rockets was the plan.

frank3 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:08:09 AM »

Exactly, though the stragglers would form an easy target.
I believe, in the earlier stage of WWII, the Axis pilots would especially look for the stragglers (just to get the kill)

JB73 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:22:44 AM »

the more i think about it...

what were 4 FOUR p51's doing escorting 1 single plane?!!

either they were all RTB together, the rest of the formation shot down, or there was someone important on board.

frank3 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2005, 11:56:23 AM »

It was rather common actually. Stragglers would ask for assistance at the fighter channel.
Those fighters who happen to rtb too, would join up with the bomber.

EagleDNY · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2005, 07:15:54 PM »

Yeah, I have to admit that when I read that it struck me as odd that he would use all that on a single bomber. Although late in the war, I would have to think that German interception control would've been a lot less efficient.

What do you think about the A2a in AH gameplay though? Would the R4Ms be too much? Just having a couple of 500Kg bombs might make it interesting enough.

EagleDNY

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