Author Topic: Hanging with the new Americans... (Read 519 times)

lazs2 · « **on:** March 10, 2005, 09:04:20 AM »

The new Americans give me a lot of hope for the country...

Well... living in California most of my life and living in a farm community a lot of it.... I ahve allways been around Mexicans farmworkers and Americans of mexican decent. The illegals have allways been kinda crappy for the most part... They start out illegal and then have a real attitude of "who cares" dump garbage in ditches, trash houses, drunk driving drugs etc... more so than the norm. Not all by any means but a lot of em..

Still... the legals and first generation Americans have allways seemed like hard working decent folk to me. I have allways had good exchanges with em. Sheesh... even sleep with one. My grand daugter is half mexican. The news and media do make it look like they are all gang members tho. I know it is BS but you do see it from time to time.

last election... well.. last election proved they were the type of people I thought they were and for the most part they turned out to vote against pasty face white liberal womanly crap. More than I can say for some races.

Well... went shooting with a couple of first generation American families this weekend... wanted to teach my girlfriend how to shoot the K22 Smith that she has claimed is now hers..

Man.. these people have great family values and aren't afraid of guns. Women have their role and men have theirs. Guns are recreation, protection and a representation of freedom to them.

The mexican American politicians, gang bangers and illegals have nothing in common with what I like to think is the real core group of hard working first and second generation Americans that I run into.

lazs

boxboy28 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:16:23 AM »

I 2nd that LAZS

Jackal1 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2005, 10:57:37 AM »

Well stated.

beet1e · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2005, 12:19:27 PM »

When I saw the thread title, I thought this thread was going to be about alternative forms of capital punishment.

How is smml ?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2005, 12:28:21 PM »

I agree too.

How long do you think it is going to take for a PC person to come in and call you a racist though?

Pink shorts seems to have a hardon for you on that one.

wrag · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2005, 12:36:49 PM »

I have worked with and known many such individuals.

Truely fine people, with high morals and stronge values

One did have some problems with his treatment in the past. And I do not blame him considering what happened to him. Happened in the 50's. Seems he was told by an inidvidual at his school, a employee there, that he was not to fight with the "red blooded American boys". This to a young man/boy who's father had served this nation in WWII with distinction I should add. He was deeply offended at his exclusion. Again I don't blame him. I believe I would react in the same manner.

He and I discussed the illegal problem once. At first he was very defensive when I said it seemed the illegals were causing allot of trouble, he even got a little angry. I asked him to just look at the crime reports in the paper and read the names of the people committing the crimes. And please do it for a week or even a month. I further added that I did NOT think these were individuals that grew up here, as I considered most who grew up here like him, fine people, but that they were people from across the border.

He calmed down and said he would do just that. He then came to me a month later and agreed.

This man IMHO deserved my full respect and got it. Still has it.

Served with such individuals as well and must say they are a credit to this nation. Hard working and dedicated individuals!

StSanta · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2005, 02:00:31 PM »

Women have their roles and men have theirs?

What does that mean? More towards Old School values (man the provider, woman the caretaker)?

Dunno if that's a step forward, honestly.

You should have a discussion with my sister about that. She's tougher than any man I know, except for the Jaegers that frequent our dropzone.

lazs2 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2005, 02:15:39 PM »

st santa... ya know... I really do believe that you are right when you say you don't know.

Don't consider myself a racist in the real sense... I am an equal opportunity hater. My guess is that most of the guys on this board that I give the worst time to are lilly white.

like it or not.. a large segment of the population of the U.S is gonna be brown. I kinda like their values. They are like me in one respect that probly isn't good tho... they hate government but do little to change it.. A whole bunch of lazs like apathetic citizens = mexico politics probly.

I also know what it is like to be on the other side of prejudice... Most first or second generation Americans of mexican decent don't really trust me at first and have preconcieved notions of what I am. No big deal... they have a right to... if I ignore it it all works out.

lazs

SOB · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2005, 06:28:33 PM »

Racist.

wrag · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2005, 06:53:27 PM »

Actually I'm not real sure these are new Americans.

Some were here before the whites moved in.

My own ethnicity .... hmmm well my grandparents on both side had allot of Amerindian.

And I was told when I was quite young NOT to speak of it. Seems the states the came from before getting to CA were very unfriendly toward them.

Note: 2 of my ancestral types were not allowed into some salons during the 1800.

There were signs that said NO Indians, Irishman, or Dogs. (before you dweebs get goin NO none of my ancesters were DOGS)

StSanta... your sister is what she is. IMHO women and men are different. Mentally, physically, emotionally, etc. and no matter how much anyone trys to tell me they are the same I will disagree.

I'am further of the opinion that men and women do different things better.

Doesn't mean that either can not be tuff or stronge or anything. It means they are different and each does different things better then the other.

It also means that IMHO each deserves our full respect, unlessl they show they don't deserve it.

I consider this to be SOP regarding respect for all races/racial types as well.

I've know American's of Japanese decent to be just as ethical, moral, strong valued, etc as any other American. More so then some white? American's I've known.

Skin color seems to create a sterotype among almost all people. Yet I've found the American Spirit in ALL colors.

My Grandfather on my mothers side always told me NEVER judge another by the color of their skin, but by their actions, words, and deeds. And to try to always walk a mile in their shoes before I did that.

Skydancer · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2005, 07:14:38 PM »

If nothing else this shows that skin colour is not realy that good an indicator of whether you'll get on with someone or not! Its our values that realy have an influence. Lazs I do kind of agreee with your general stance here. I'm not sure about your ideas on women men and roles etc, and you already know my gun opinion. But basicaly you are right. Get under the skin as it were and often we find we are more similar than we might at first think.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2005, 07:17:51 PM »

ROFL
Can we please build a friggen walkway over that fence? If the continuos crossing back and forth continues at the rate it has been this week all the barbs are gonna be wore off.

Skydancer · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2005, 07:23:43 PM »

Eh? EEngleesh please!;)

wrag · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2005, 07:40:26 PM »

I like your quote Skydancer.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:11:55 PM »

I've seen first hand the good and the bad in this community. BUT, to say it is exclusivly of Mexican descent is a farce.

I've met more than my share of arabs, Indians and asians that have become US citizens. What is different about them is they have some real "old school" family values that do alot to keep the family together. Above that they are actually PROUD to be Americans.

My wife's family is/are German immegrants. A few of them have actually gotten US citizenship and are real proud Americans.

As far as being an immigrant goes my wifes biggest complaint was the fact that everyone (including schools) allways catered to the Mexicans as far as english as a second language goes. She learned alot of her english watching seseme street at first but at school they didn't have anyone to help her learn that spoke German.....plenty of spanish speaking teachers though.