Author Topic: Our "allies" in a war on terror. (Read 1362 times)

gatt · « **Reply #45 on:** March 13, 2005, 07:51:47 AM »

Ah, last news are that russians refuse to give poland all the details about russian officers involved in the Katyn massacre. Probably becouse some so called Heroes were actually involved in it. Well, looks like russia is rapidly getting in some of the worst habits of western countries

Did you know that Patton units in Sicily, during 1943, massacred something like 150 italian POWs? Maybe a captain and a couple of sergeants were punished.

After 60 years many nations are still searching for axis officers involved in massacres. They should do it with winners as well. Shouldnt they?

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 13, 2005, 08:15:26 AM »

offcourse.

Boroda · « **Reply #47 on:** March 13, 2005, 01:31:23 PM »

Toad. I still stand on the point that there is not enough evidence for me. Keep believing, I use common sence.

22 thousand Poles in Katyn is news to me. Nazis found only 4100 bodies.

Again: last reliable document was Burdenko's commission report provided to the Nuremburg tribunal.

Boroda · « **Reply #48 on:** March 13, 2005, 01:37:27 PM »

Back to the original topic:

Poland calling the killing of Maskhadov a "murder", and mentioning "political solution" in Chechnya is an obvious support to terrorists.

Their point is not that he became a "martyr". (anyway if he did - the hell with it, he is better killed then held in prison). The point is that he was the "only person availible for negotiations".

Great! Imagine, someone says that it's bad to catch OBL or kill him, simply because if he gets caught or killed - there will be noone to talk about "peace"! Incredible!

According to such logics Hitler should have been guarded and kept free, because after he committed suicide - there was noone left for peace talks! What peace talks!? If the enemy doesn't surrender - he is destroyed.

Vulcan · « **Reply #49 on:** March 13, 2005, 01:55:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Back to the original topic:

Poland calling the killing of Maskhadov a "murder", and mentioning "political solution" in Chechnya is an obvious support to terrorists.

Their point is not that he became a "martyr". (anyway if he did - the hell with it, he is better killed then held in prison). The point is that he was the "only person availible for negotiations".

Great! Imagine, someone says that it's bad to catch OBL or kill him, simply because if he gets caught or killed - there will be noone to talk about "peace"! Incredible!

According to such logics Hitler should have been guarded and kept free, because after he committed suicide - there was noone left for peace talks! What peace talks!? If the enemy doesn't surrender - he is destroyed.

OBL was not a political leader of a country.

The Allies probably did want Hitler guarded so the could nab him.

Are you implying that the Israeli's should destroy the Palestinians?

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 13, 2005, 02:15:17 PM »

I have a 7 piece of ww2 encyclopedia It was uncertain about that poland affair.

Anyhow anyone ever seen the bodys that came through the erosion in the river( i believe it was the wolga). Nobody knew about it.
Stalin was not a sweetheart.

But again he was there on the right time right place. Ii believe nobody else could have pushed 13 milion russian (with all respect for those souls)offers to end WW2.

weaselsan · « **Reply #51 on:** March 13, 2005, 05:56:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Lazerus
Again, there was nothing in the text of what you quoted that states or implies support or pity for any terrorists.

What do you think he meant when he said it was "political stupidity? "Gross mistake"?

I've read opinions that lead me to think that I understand what he was talking about, but I want to know what you think.

If we Killed Osama and someone said it was Gross stupidity and a mistake, I call that support for terrorism. It would be that or they where complete Morons, take your pick.

Toad · « **Reply #52 on:** March 13, 2005, 09:23:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Toad. I still stand on the point that there is not enough evidence for me. Keep believing, I use common sence.

22 thousand Poles in Katyn is news to me. Nazis found only 4100 bodies.

Again: last reliable document was Burdenko's commission report provided to the Nuremburg tribunal.

That's why I like your posts. I kind of like it when I have proof that some folks live an alternate reality.

Look.... the investigation by the Red Cross, the diaries found with the victims, etc., all show they were killed AFTER the Russians took them prisoner.

Yeltsin, Gorby and Putin all admit to it and now... Russia’s Chief Military Prosecutor’s Office admits it as well.

But that's "not enough proof" for you. ROFL! The only proof you'd accept is if you stepped into a time machine, joined the NKVD and helped kill the POW's yourself.

There is no doubt in any sane person's mind.

Boroda · « **Reply #53 on:** March 14, 2005, 10:48:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
There is no doubt in any sane person's mind.

Person who has no doubt in his mind is a happy idiot.

bikekil · « **Reply #54 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:01:27 PM »

Boroda, first of all, i think that our comment was very unfortunate and surely not in place.

Even if we could thing that it's “a political stupidity and a gross mistake” we should let you deal with your problems and keep our thought for ourselves. We are not a side in that conflict.

I won't judge if it was a good or bad decision - time will answer this.

As for the Katyn (photoes could be drastic)
http://historianiebezpieczna.kgb.pl/kom/pol/katyn/galeria.html
http://historianiebezpieczna.kgb.pl/kom/pol/katyn/galeria1.html
what the "notes" from the 2nd links saying? It's not a tricky question, i just can't translate it

I could say that our ally myrdered our guys right? It's a history - let's put it straight with a time.

“A question arises: will Poland use analogous phrases to regret the elimination of murderous terrorist Shamil Basayev, who is on the UN antiterrorist sanction list, or Osama bin Laden?”
Or will Poland join "get the pigeon" hunting? Or will we join Tom in hunting Jerry?

This question isn't worth answering.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #55 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:28:38 PM »

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Originally posted by SLO

Oh and eventually you will come to understand that most Americans are Ego-maniacs...

And most Canadians are brainwashed , socialist puppies sucking at the government tit.

You owe you very existance to this country.

(I feel better now)

Toad · « **Reply #56 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:33:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Person who has no doubt in his mind is a happy idiot.

Anyone who doubts the Soviet NKVD murdered Polish POWs at Katyn and other places (like near Smolensk) is a total idiot, happy or otherwise.

bikekil · « **Reply #57 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:13:47 PM »

Boroda, sorry for being sarcastic in my post above.

There is a reason for you guys to be angry about our statement. There is no reason to act irrational tho.
Both of our contries are really good doing so

even if the comment we made had some sense (or not - a topic to discuss), we should shuddup about it.

Boroda · « **Reply #58 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:25:34 PM »

Bikekil, thanks for your answer!

You guys have indeed more understanding then most of the people here, and I am proud to call you friends. !

As for Katyn - again, I don't know, and if it was my compatriots who committed this crime - I only have to apologize. I hope it's not true, and I hope you understand me.

!

bikekil · « **Reply #59 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:50:47 PM »

Boroda,
could you translate the documents from the second link and post what they are about? i'm not talking about direct translation but the general idea what they are about.

Here in Poland you won't find any person who don't know that NKWD murdered our officers and Russia nowdays is refusing to show us the documents you have about it in your archives. On a side note - whould could be the reason?

But, probasbly we here have no idea about some of our crimes on your people during the ages.

the best thing would be to be "brave" enought to speak about the truth together, but that's the topic for another discusion.