Oil in the ANWR

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Silat
"According to the USGS report {
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm }, the mean estimated
amount of recoverable oil is in fact approximately equal to the amount of
oil the United States consumes in one year. As the report notes, the
"[t]echnically recoverable oil within the ANWR 1002 area [the
1.5-million-acre coastal plain targeted for drilling] (excluding State and
Native areas) is estimated to be between 4.3 and 11.8 billion barrels, with
a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels." According to the U.S. Department of
Energy's Energy Information Agency, {
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/petroleum_supply_annual/psa_volume1/current/pdf/table_03.pdf }
the U.S. currently consumes about 20 million barrels of oil and petroleum
products per day, or about 7.3 billion barrels per year."


The facts are substantially different from what my President is stating.
Maybe he knows where the hidden cache of massive amounts of oil is hidden:)

Pattern posting again Lew?
No on SS
No on Oil

[Elfie]

Thanks for bringing the point of caribou migrations to light. My Father-in-law works in the petroleum industry up there and told me that fact a while ago. The pipeline has not stopped their migrations and their population has grown since it was built.

Dont think anyone said the migrations ever stopped I didnt bring up Alaska's caribou to be a focal point of this discussion. I was just using the caribou as one example of how another oil field could impact Alaska's environment.

This particular herd's growth is most likely attributable to excellent game management by the state of Alaska. They do an incredible job of managing the fish and game populations imo. But this is a topic for another thread

Didnt know about that guy shooting holes in the pipeline. Thanks for the info.

[Toad]

I believe there's far more caribou now than there were when they built the pipeline. Something on the order of 40% +.

Good management? Of do pipelines increase the caribou survivability?  

[Storm7]

What would Sigmund Freud have to say about a pipeline and an increase in the caribou population? Maybe I'm taking my dates to the wrong places.


"Hey babe, ever see the refineries by moonlight?"

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Toad
I believe there's far more caribou now than there were when they built the pipeline. Something on the order of 40% +.

Good management? Of do pipelines increase the caribou survivability?  

Iirc caribou populations are also cyclic. Plus, in the mid 80's there was intensive wolf control operations performed by the state. (Read: hunting wolves from helicopters) Wolf populations had gotten to the point where they were having serious detrimental effects on the moose and caribou populations.

Concerns about the caribou being affected by the pipeline were about possible new migration route(s). Would the caribou still vary the route from year to year? If not, what kind of long term damage to the land could be expected?

Dang Toad, you are really working my tired brain tonight, I think I just about blew a brain fuse.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Elfie
Iirc caribou populations are also cyclic. Plus, in the mid 80's there was intensive wolf control operations performed by the state. (Read: hunting wolves from helicopters) Wolf populations had gotten to the point where they were having serious detrimental effects on the moose and caribou populations.

Concerns about the caribou being affected by the pipeline were about possible new migration route(s). Would the caribou still vary the route from year to year? If not, what kind of long term damage to the land could be expected?

Dang Toad, you are really working my tired brain tonight, I think I just about blew a brain fuse.

Who cares what routes they take to migrate? There are more of them now than before the pipeline. I remember hearing this on Rush a few years ago.

The Caribou actually thrive near the pipeline.

Also, the spotted owl ( I think) was said to only nest in a certain type of tree. Animal rights groups got construction projects shut down because of it. It was then discovered that the dumb owls would nest even in billboards.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Krusher
Pattern posting again Lew?
No on SS
No on Oil

Krusher you taking it personal? Sounds like you might be stalking me.
Try and discuss an issue instead of attacking the messenger.

[Toad]

The concern, as I understood it, was if pipelines would reduce the caribou population.

It would appear the one in place does not.

[Elfie]

Who cares what routes they take to migrate? There are more of them now than before the pipeline. I remember hearing this on Rush a few years ago.

No one cares what route they take, as long as they continue to vary the route from year to year. If the herds didnt vary their routes each year there would be major (possibly permanent) effects on the land they travel.

The concern, as I understood it, was if pipelines would reduce the caribou population.

If the caribou had stopped migrating, the populations most likely would have dropped.

[Rolex]

Sorry NUKE, but this:

"The US has plenty of oil.......we are just gonna buy all the oil we can until it's gone, then we'll uncap those wells and pump away.

Those sorry Arabs will be back in the stone age again because they are too stupid to try to do anything to better there nations, other than sell oil."

is just, plain wrong, my friend. The US will never be self sufficient of oil - never. You can pump all of the oil out of Alaska and still not make a dent in the oil deficit. And Saudi Arabia will be producing 40% of all the world's oil by 2015.

Some reading >>

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Rolex
Sorry NUKE, but this:

"The US has plenty of oil.......we are just gonna buy all the oil we can until it's gone, then we'll uncap those wells and pump away.

Those sorry Arabs will be back in the stone age again because they are too stupid to try to do anything to better there nations, other than sell oil."

is just, plain wrong, my friend. The US will never be self sufficient of oil - never. You can pump all of the oil out of Alaska and still not make a dent in the oil deficit. And Saudi Arabia will be producing 40% of all the world's oil by 2015.

Some reading >>

didn't say self suffient. I know a few people that used to work in the oil business. They all have said that they have seen thousands of wells drilled, then capped off for later use. On guy told me that the US has a lot of oil just sitting, not being pumped.

[Rolex]

"Production stops when the cost to produce is equal to, or greater than, the price."

Put that on a 3x5 card and carry it around in your shirt pocket for a day...

[bunch]

They gonna drill for the cheap stuff?
we got enough of the expensive crap to go around

[Rolex]

You're still getting the cheap stuff, bunch. Hold onto your hat in about 18 months (and sell the SUV next summer).  

[oboe]

Originally posted by Rolex
"Production stops when the cost to produce is equal to, or greater than, the price."
 

How long ago were the wells capped I wonder?   Because oil is now $50 or higher a barrel, and OPEC apparently said $80/bbl is not impossible.    Seems to me that should change the economics of whether or not to uncap some of these wells.

Here are some interesting tidbits from TR Reed's book "United States of Europe" regarding the economic strength of the European Union starting to overshadow the US.   These are the percentages of power generation not related to fossil fuels:

France - 70% nuclear
Denmark - 40% wind
Norway - 90% hydroelectric (and Norway is an oil producer!)

In addition, the European states have priced expensive oil into their economies for many years with high taxation.   By manipulating the tax rates, they can negate or minimize the effect of price shocks on the oil market, whereas the US economy gets hit with the effects of price jumps very rapidly (I know we've all seen that at the gas pump).