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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2005, 01:05:53 AM »
Most Hurri IIb pilots removed the out pair of guns from each wing due to the very nagative impact they had on performance.  The 8 gun Hurri II was at a  noticable advantage over the 12 gun Hurri II.

The Typhoon Mk Ia was also armed with 12 .303s.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2005, 01:40:54 AM »
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12x .303s may not be as 'powerful' as we might expect. At least, according to Tony Williams. (Tony's site seems to be down, however... and I can't pull any direct quotes from him)


It hasn't been down as far as I'm aware...

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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2005, 04:26:34 AM »
I read that the Pilots of Hurry IIB's received in Burma peeled them off to an 8 gun fighter, or even down to 4, to improve performance.
An 8 gun Hurry II is lighter than our IIC BTW, so this could be a nice addition, - say there is the Hurry IIB, and you can pick 4, 8 or 12 guns.
But wasn't there then a Hurry IIa?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2005, 05:10:30 AM »
Hmm I was going to trow in some pictures but I just couldn't find anything with 12 guns!

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2005, 11:41:15 AM »
I'd like to have this plane plus the Sea Hurris. We need a few more CV planes, and the Sea Hurri was used until around 1943.

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2005, 12:18:12 PM »
Mainly I'd just like to see it so we have a Hurri II model with the MGs instead of the cannons.  I love the Mk I but hate having to deal with the engine cut out.

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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2005, 12:21:46 PM »
Though that one wasn't able to land again was it. I've heard the pilots had to bail or ditch near a vessel.

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2005, 05:13:10 PM »
Give the Hurricane a deck and it will land.
First time was aboard the Glorious, in the retreat from Norway.
Land based Hurricanes with the mere modification of a sandbag in the rear landed aboard the carrier..
But there were also the castapult launched Hurricanes (Hurricat). They had nothing to land on if a land base was too far off, so...splash.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2005, 06:18:43 PM »
The later Sea Hurris had arrestor hooks. Shouldn't be too hard to modify our current Hurri to Sea Hurri.

From the Fleet Air Arm Archive website:
History

The Hawker Sea Hurricane was a variant of the Hawker Hurricane.  During World War II the Fleet Air Arm took on charge some 440 Sea Hurricanes, 60 of which were built new as Sea Hurricanes and the rest were conversions from former RAF Hurricanes some of which dated from 1938. The Sea Hurricane was initially deployed not for aircraft carrier operations but to protect merchant shipping. To combat German maritime-reconnaissance bombers, some ships were converted into CAMs (catapult aircraft merchantmen) which meant that a Hurricane fighter could be launched from the ship when danger approached. The biggest problem was that the fighter could not re-land on board, and so the pilot had to ditch it in the sea. The main areas of operation for the 'Hurricat' or 'Catafighters' were in the Mediterranean and Baltic. Later versions of the Sea Hurricane operated from aircraft carriers, being fitted usually with catapult spools and arrester hook, but by 1943 the Sea Hurricane had all but disappeared from service.

The Sea Hurricane Mk I were followed by about 300 Mk Is converted to Sea Hurricane Mk IB configuration, these having catapult spools plus a V-frame arrester hook: in addition 25 Mk IIA were modified as Sea Hurricane IB or Hooked Hurricane II fighters. Their initial role was a considerable improvement on CAM-ship deployment, for from October 1941 they began to go to sea aboard MAC-ships, these being large Merchant ships fitted with a small flight deck.
 

Sea Hurricane Mk IC fighters, introduced in February 1942 were conventional Mk I conversions with catapult spools and arrester hook; they had, however, the four-cannon wing of the land-based Hurricane Mk IIC. The Sea Hurricane Mk IIC, was intended for Fleet carrier operations and, consequently, was without catapult spools. This version was also used as hurri-cats. They introduced also to navy service the Merlin XX engine, and carried FAA radio equipment. Mk.IIC's with 4-cannon wings built by Hawker and delivered between December 1942 and May 1943. The Sea Hurricane Mk X - Canadian built Hurricane X converted to Sea Hurricane standards were all classified either Mk.IA or Mk.IB by the RN, even though all used the two-stage Packard Merlin 28.  Thet were all built with eight .303 machine guns. The Sea Hurricane Mk XII - Conversion of Canadian Hurricane XII for Royal Canadian Navy with full naval equipment. Packard Merlin 29 with twelve .303 machine guns. The last of the Sea Hurricane variants was the Sea Hurricane Mk XIIA, of which a small number were converted from Canadian-built Mk XIIs, and these were used operationally in the North Atlantic. Although the Sea Hurricane last saw service in 1945, Sea Hurricane NF670 was still extant on the East Kirby dump in 1956/57.
Versions
 Mk I      One Hurricane Mk I conversion; Catapult spools and arrester hooks
 Mk IA      50 Hurricane conversion; catapult spools only; specially produced for
                     CAM fighter scheme - launched from CAM ships
 Mk IB      300 Mk I (merlin III) and 25 Mk IIA series 2 conversions; Catapult
                     spools and arrester hook (MAC-ship service)
 Mk IC      Hurricane Mk I conversion with four-cannon wings; catapult spools
                     and arrester hook
 Mk IIC      Arrester hook and naval radio equipment
 Mk XIIA    Canadian built navalised Mk XII, with Packard Merlin XXIX engine
    Fleet Air Arm history
        Hawker Sea Hurricane
        Total FAA 1939-1945              443
             Total Sea Hurricane Ia         50
             Total Sea Hurricane Ib         290
             Total Sea Hurricane II          42
             Total Sea Hurricane IIc        60
        First delivered to RN:               Feb 1941
        First squadron 1939-1945:         760 sqdn 1941, 880 sqdn 1941
        Operational squadron:               880 sqdn 1941
        Last served with RN                 1945 - East Kirby dump 1956/57 (NF670).

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2005, 06:23:17 PM »
The Sea Hurricane's most famous action was fought during August 1942, when aircraft serving with 801, 802 and 885 squadrons aboard the carriers HMS Indomitable, HMS Eagle and HMS Victorious, joined with Fairey Fulmars and Grumman Martlets to protect a vital convoy to Malta, in Operation Pedestal. During three days of almost continuous attack by an Axis force of bombers, torpedo-bombers and escorting fighters, 39 enemy aircraft were destroyed for the loss of eight naval fighters.


Bring the Sea Hurri I and II to Aces High!

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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2005, 12:36:50 PM »
Better yet, give me a HurriII with 64 Daisy automatic BB rifles mounted in the wings and a propeller hub mounted 12 guage shotgun loaded with rock salt! I want to torture the bastard, not shoot him down!

Oh yea, and a Boulton-Paul turret mounted behind the pilot with a harpoon cannon for the wife ack...

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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2005, 01:32:59 PM »
The Soviets also removed the extra outboard guns from their IIb Hurricanes

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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2005, 06:14:40 PM »
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Better yet, give me a HurriII with 64 Daisy automatic BB rifles mounted in the wings and a propeller hub mounted 12 guage shotgun loaded with rock salt! I want to torture the bastard, not shoot him down!

Oh yea, and a Boulton-Paul turret mounted behind the pilot with a harpoon cannon for the wife ack...

Magoo

JK, I'm all for a 12 gun hurri...


Ouch! rock salt is very evil. When I was 15 a friend and I decided to take a little shortcut through this old guys field and we both got pinged in buttocks. My friend (who was not the sharpest tool in the shed) decided to get revenge 2 days later in a haphazard attemt to pop his tractor tires.  This did not go well, as his cub scout knife folded on his knuckles. He yelped, and the old man came out and shot him in the buttocks once again.

Never underestimate the power of rock salt!

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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2005, 06:41:58 PM »
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Ouch! rock salt is very evil. When I was 15 a friend and I decided to take a little shortcut through this old guys field and we both got pinged in buttocks. My friend (who was not the sharpest tool in the shed) decided to get revenge 2 days later in a haphazard attemt to pop his tractor tires.  This did not go well, as his cub scout knife folded on his knuckles. He yelped, and the old man came out and shot him in the buttocks once again.

Never underestimate the power of rock salt!



Duuuude, my brothers and i use to ride dirt bikes in sandiego, some old bastage use to pelt us with rock salt, from long range, thing was we never saw him, in the MONTHS we would get hit by this SOB, we never saw him..not once...and we went huntin' for him alot, some 12 or so kids, all who have dirt bikes or some type of engine ran doohicky, long story short, altho he "annoyed" us, most of the time, all of us were too banged up from crashing to care about some minor skin sting. i say skin sting vs. the muffler burns, cracked ribs, and  a few minor concusions. due to the "sudden minor sting" makeing most kids crash, or loose control.

you always knew when a kid got hit by the guy too, because they would ither make some tailtell sign of a "out of control dirtbike" or you would see a guy rideing in the distance then hear a "yelp" fallowed by a cloud of dust "crashing" fallowed by some kid/guy yelling at the top of his lungs every cuss word imaginable, runing off in some stupid "wrong" direction to chase that damn guy with his salt rock gun.

Too the old man "i assume it was" who shot us up all that time, i realy do hate you..
but all in all for not geting found and skined alive by 12 or more pissed of kids. :aok
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2005, 07:23:20 PM »
Thank goodness for wimpy ammo and bad weapon choices!

As far as bb guns go, I've had my fill of those as well.

I wonder what the wimpiest ammo is in this game?  The only ammo I really know something about is for handguns.