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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:09:42 PM »

I have no trouble saying that Churchill saved the world by not giving in to Hitler after the summer 1940 disasters.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #31 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:19:50 PM »

I bet that plane stank afterwards.

Silat · « **Reply #32 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:20:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Skydancer
I think you'll find that I did give the US credit in my last post!

I quote myself!

"Well wether or not America came late into WW2 we sure appreciated the help when it came"

"But hey our fathers and forefathers salute yours as does anyone else here with a sense of their own history and justice."

Oh and we are not Euro's we are British!

So quit the sour grapes and give credit where its due huh? It would be a nice gesture.

I give credit to the brave British who gave and gave >>S<<
I also give credit to the rest of the world that fought back. Some didnt fight at the beginning but when they realized the truth then they came forward. >>S<<

greentail · « **Reply #33 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:30:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Skydancer
Well wether or not America came late into WW2 we sure appreciated the help when it came.

Though remember the fact that Britain stood alone for three years against the rest of the axis. Fought bloody hard against overwhelming odds and suffered destruction that the US is lucky enough not to have suffered on its homeland. So that when the US did finaly did join the right side they had somewhere to launch the war in Europe from. Any chance of this being recognised on this board just once in a while?

Fact without Britain and her ( at the time ) Colonies,Canada Australia, New Zealand, India etc there wouldn't have been a WW2 for you guys to fight!

But hey our fathers and forefathers salute yours as does anyone else here with a sense of their own history and justice.

You might want to give the Red Army a little credit. Even after D Day, 77% of the German Army was on the Eastern Front.

Airhead · « **Reply #34 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:42:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Skydancer
I think you'll find that I did give the US credit in my last post!

I quote myself!

"Well wether or not America came late into WW2 we sure appreciated the help when it came"

That's a backhanded comment from your typical Euro Amerihater.

Rather than enter late into WW2 I wish we hadn't entered at all. Instead of defeating the Nazis, then holding the USSR at bay for 40 years in the Cold War we should have expanded our sphere of influence and annexed Canada, Mexico and Central America all the way to Panama- and built their industry instead of rebuilding yours.

We might have a few brush wars here and there, but it's the Euros who start the ones that are assigned numbers. I hope the next one we stay out of.

john9001 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:44:41 PM »

the US should have never invaded france, france was no threat to the US.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #36 on:** March 11, 2005, 07:15:33 PM »

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Originally posted by greentail
You might want to give the Red Army a little credit. Even after D Day, 77% of the German Army was on the Eastern Front.

The Mongrel Bolshevik Hordes of the Red Army are overrated. If he had his way Patton would have been in Moscow before Christmas...

greentail · « **Reply #37 on:** March 11, 2005, 10:57:18 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The Mongrel Bolshevik Hordes of the Red Army are overrated. If he had his way Patton would have been in Moscow before Christmas...

Patton was a student of military history. I'm sure that he knew the fates of others who had said the exact same thing.

Toad · « **Reply #38 on:** March 11, 2005, 11:12:30 PM »

I think the Brits were extremely tough considering what they had to face. I think Churchill did a great job inspiring and leading them on in very dark times.

I'm glad we could come to their rescue a second time, sending our sons to die in Europe for their freedom.

I bet you aren't really to keen on that sort of compliment are you Zulu?

That's what Airhead meant about your comment. I took it as a backhanded compliment myself, which is why I answered you the way I did.

In truth, WW2 was a very collective effort. The Russkies did a lot of fighting and dying, along with several other countries. There was sacrifice and heroism from all the countries.

As I said, though, I get a bit tired of the "late" comment. IMO, it merely shows a very superficial understanding of world and US history between 1865 and 1941.

Skydancer · « **Reply #39 on:** March 12, 2005, 06:04:47 AM »

No guys you have me wrong.

I'm not a Euro I'm a Brit. I do not have a particular antipathy toward America. It just seems in this world of ours that he who shouts loudest makes the movies etc, often times likes to take most of the credit. Lets all be glad that we did fight it. Where I grew up the evidence of the US contribution was all around me. In the form of empty derelict airfields. So I don't say it was not so. I also have family who's lives were torn apart by it all and the physical evidence of what this little Island withstood is all around us too.

As for the Red army definate credit is due. However Maybe ( and Hindsight is a wonderful thing ) Patton was right though and for once, despite his dislike of Monty, they and Churchill were in agreement . They recognised that the Soviets weren't the benevolent allies and that it might have been better for Europe if the Allies had pushed east and taken Berlin.

Interesting note. I went to the Czech Republic bout 8 years ago. Visited Pilsen. There is a street there named Patton street or something similar. It was renamed after the Soviet Union collapsed. The US army had liberated Bohemia and parts of what is now Czech Republic. they were oblidged under agreements with the Soviets to hand it to them. The Soviets wre wrote history and taught people that this area was liberated by the Russians. Hollwierd would have been proud of them

( urm I think this thread has been inadvertantly Hijacked! oops)

Nilsen · « **Reply #40 on:** March 12, 2005, 06:17:45 AM »

And while europe, usa and some arab nations argue and shoot eachother, the chinese winns it all...atleast in the marketplace.

Whats the import/export ratio that China has again?

JB88 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 12, 2005, 07:40:22 AM »

good point nilsen.

yep.

Crumpp · « **Reply #42 on:** March 12, 2005, 08:15:23 AM »

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Patton was a student of military history. I'm sure that he knew the fates of others who had said the exact same thing.

Remember we had the bomb. The Soviets did not.

On a completely different note. Both Europeans and Americans need to recognize that since September 11th the United States has fundamentally changed its Foreign Policy philosophy.

Before Europe and the United States saw eye to eye. Now our policies are completely different. Both have the objective of maintaining peace and stability.

Europe still believes in maintaining the status quo is the best route to achieving peace and stability. Even if that means getting in bed with dictators, murderers, etc...

The United States believes the road to peace and stability is by advancing individual rights, democracy, and the rule of law. The theory being if people are happy with their stuff, they will not want to come and take your stuff.

The reforms you see in USA friendly Middle Eastern Governments are a direct result of this fundatmental policy shift.

This philosophy brings the old argument of "worlds policeman" to the forefront. Is it the right path? Can't say for sure. I do think it is a better way as long as the noble outstrips the pragmatic. One thing though is certain. The old policy of maintaining the status quo did not work for us. As the worlds "superpower" there is a tendency for the third world to place the blame for their problems on the USA. If they place the blame, don't be surprised when a solution is offered.

All the best,

Crumpp

-tronski- · « **Reply #43 on:** March 12, 2005, 08:22:56 AM »

Sigh...I can't believe the commonwealth saved all your collective arses....twice!

Tronsky

Skydancer · « **Reply #44 on:** March 12, 2005, 08:44:05 AM »

There's some truth there. The Commonwealth did help save our arses! That is very true.