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NUKE · « **Reply #75 on:** March 12, 2005, 10:12:48 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Last post for tonight.

Perhaps you should just go back to making toy airplanes, or you could pick up a history book and learn something.

LOL!

what a great argument.

NUKE · « **Reply #76 on:** March 12, 2005, 10:16:41 PM »

So, if I read some history books I will learn that Germany had a world class navy?

LOL!

The only nations that ever had a world class navy (no order) :

1. Great Britain
2. The US
3. Japan.

Toad · « **Reply #77 on:** March 12, 2005, 10:41:49 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
If I were to go by your posting history I would have to consider all your recent post as honest, fair and level-headed. However, we both know you are no longer the moderate poster you once were so I don’t.

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I haven't changed my views, nor my style. I don't think you're exactly an unbiased observer.

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Originally posted by GScholz
If you can’t tell intent from the content of the actual post

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Re read what I said. "It's not hard to tell intent, especially with the history some posters have created for themselves.

"Not hard to tell". Still confused?

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Originally posted by GScholz
they waited to the third year of the war, after being attacked themselves to get involved.

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I see you don't want to talk about Roosevelt and the Neutrality Acts.

Maybe you want to start with Wilson's 14 points? Nah, I bet you don't want to talk about either one of those.

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Originally posted by GScholz
Seriously, why should you have acted earlier? I see no good reason beyond preventive defence.

A much better question would be how could we have acted earlier. Again, you need to do a little research on the US after WWI, through the Neutrality Acts and then up to Pearl.

Airhead · « **Reply #78 on:** March 13, 2005, 10:06:04 AM »

Toad, try this-

GScholz This person is on your Ignore List.

He's much more palatable this way.

NUKE · « **Reply #79 on:** March 13, 2005, 10:15:20 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz

In 1940 the Italian navy had 6 battleships, 7 cruisers, 14 light cruisers, 59 destroyers, 69 torpedo boats and 117 submarines of varied type and tonnage.

Only an idiot like you would not call that a “world class” navy.

Like I said, not world class.

Airhead · « **Reply #80 on:** March 13, 2005, 10:17:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Skydancer
Toad. I don't realy disagree, with you about the fact that American servicemen gave their lives for a good cause or to help liberate Europe from Nazism.

But I do on this point

"Say all you like about "national interest" but the bottom line is that unlike Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia, we returned home to seek our own lives in peace."

Simply because I grew up with an awfull lot of American Hardware and personnel not many miles from my folks home! East Anglia sometimes felt a bit like one big US base. So I gues your troops did not all go home. And still there are an awfull lot of you guys stationed throughout the world very far from the US.

Now I'm not saying thats a bad thing. Simply that your above statement isn't exactly true!

Right, Skydancer- we still have troops in Europe to keep the peace. Sad you can't take care of yourselves, but...(shrug) You can't.

Wait a sec- Weren't you Zulu7? From overseas?

On the list with you, shades boy.

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #81 on:** March 13, 2005, 10:34:01 AM »

Someone needs a hug!

Crumpp · « **Reply #82 on:** March 13, 2005, 10:50:13 AM »

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Right, Skydancer- we still have troops in Europe to keep the peace. Sad you can't take care of yourselves, but...(shrug) You can't.

Actually the subject of withdrawal of our troops comes up every few years. Economically and even defense wise it would be better for the United States if we withdrew our troops from Europe. European Powers are more than capable of providing for their own defense.

Economically for the countries we are in however we bring in LOTS of cash. Contracts for base services, troops with disposable income, etc...

Usually means that the host nation does not want to lose their cash cow so the troops stay.

All the best,

Crumpp

Skydancer · « **Reply #83 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:06:16 AM »

Agreed Crumpp.

You may notice I did not say it was a bad thing. Simply that it was incorrect to state that US forces go fight wars then go straight back home.

Toad · « **Reply #84 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:13:36 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE

The US put more resources into Europe.

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Originally posted by GScholz

No they didn't.

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The Basis of Strategy from CENTER OF MILITARY HISTORY, UNITED STATES ARMY, WASHINGTON, D. C., 1990

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All in all, by 31 December 1942 slightly more than half of the divisions and about a third of the air combat groups overseas were deployed in the war against Japan. The remaining divisions overseas and over one half of the air combat groups overseas were deployed in the war against Germany.

It's a very long piece with mutiple chapters. Scholz especially could benefit from reading it.

Toad · « **Reply #85 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:18:11 AM »

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Originally posted by JB88
well, in a sense, we too were responsible for the failed experiment that was the treaty of versailles...so we already had an interest from the first time we had decided to chip in.

Maybe in the sense that the victorious European powers totally rejected Wilson's "14 Points", which, while certainly not perfect, were a far better chance of avoiding another war than the Treaty of Versailles was by a huge margin.

JB88 · « **Reply #86 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:22:11 AM »

but we won that one too...why didnt they listen to us!!! lol.

Toad · « **Reply #87 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:23:44 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I’m afraid you have. Your posts of late are rarely more than whines about perceived “anti-Americanism”.

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"Perceived" is laughable. It's there, it's real. I'm not the only one that sees it.

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Here you go on with you whining about how some posters have created a “history” of anti-American “intent”.

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There are anti-American posters. I'll be happy to highlight some that continually denigrate American efforts. Review, for example, your posts in this thread.

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Your internal pre-war politics does not interest me.

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Which is why you don't really know what you're talking about.

If you did, you'd realize that Hitler's incredibly stupid move of declaring war on the US was a gift of incredible magnitude to the European Allies.

Toad · « **Reply #88 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:25:26 AM »

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Originally posted by JB88
but we won that one too...why didnt they listen to us!!! lol.

Because they like fighting so much they wanted to do it again?

Because they were vengeful little foxxers who had no idea that they were setting the stage for another global war?

JB88 · « **Reply #89 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:26:02 AM »

it's true. that was quite the gift.